I'm with Brendan on this one. I think he's presented his opinion in a sound and rational manner and that he's just getting bashed around because it's not that of a cheerleader.
If Pentax had a FF body at a reasonable price, I bet the vast majority here would be out there forking over the money. I personally don't expect to see one. I also think it's just as likely that a successor to the K10D will be a downgrade in some ways, not an upgrade, if past Pentax behavior is a guide. Brendan has not written his statements using absolutes, even though those taking opposing views are generally writing as if he did. Tom C. >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D >Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:18:54 -0400 > >Then get ready to open you wallet to the tune of 5K or so. And you >may not be able to see a difference in your results. >Paul >On May 9, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > > Fair enough. I will amend...I won't by another APS-C > > sized sensor camera. > > > > -Brendan > > --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Actually the 4/3 system uses a much smaller sensor > >> than the > >> Pentax/Sony/Nikon APS-C equivalent sensor cameras > >> use. It's the > >> standard promulgated by > >> Kodak/Olympus/Panasonic/Leica. To get the > >> equivalent AOV in 35mm terms you multiply focal > >> length by 2 not just by > >> 1.5, and the sensor is a 5:4 aspect ratio as opposed > >> to the 35mm/APS-C > >> 3:2. I thought this system was a bad idea when it > >> was first described, > >> (based on the planned sensor size), and I haven't > >> seen anything to make > >> me like it more. Though the build quality on some > >> of the cameras is > >> impressive, image quality seems to be what could be > >> charitably described > >> as relatively noisy at high ISO, and every view > >> finder I've seen on > >> these cameras can only be described as "squinty". > >> > >> Brendan MacRae wrote: > >>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> It was never indicated that the K1D would be full > >>>> frame. It will merely be an upgrade from the > >> K10D, > >>>> which suits me just fine. > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>> > >>> Yeah, that's why I said "hypothetical" FF sensor. > >>> > >>> I'm hoping if they do release a K1D that it is FF > >> as > >>> that's the only thing that would really get me > >> excited > >>> at this point. I won't buy another 4/3 camera > >> unless > >>> it could be shown to be a huge improvement over > >> the > >>> current models. > >>> > >>> -Brendan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -------------- Original message > >>>> ---------------------- > >>>> From: Brendan MacRae > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Pentax To Sell Tokyo HQ, Quit Low-Profit Ops > >>>>>>> > >>>> To > >>>> > >>>>>> Lift Corp Value > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> TOKYO (Nikkei)--Pentax Corp. plans to sell its > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Tokyo headquarters and > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> withdraw from less profitable businesses under > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> strategies the camera maker > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>> crafted to block a takeover bid by optical > >>>>>>> > >>>> glass > >>>> > >>>>>> manufacturer Hoya Corp. , > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> Nikkei learned Wednesday. > >>>>>>> =========== > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think that gives the news a slightly > >>>>>>> > >>>> different > >>>> > >>>>>> slant. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, that makes a heck of a lot more sense. I > >>>>>> > >>>> can't > >>>> > >>>>>> imagine the 645D would be > >>>>>> particularly profitable, and even though I'm > >>>>>> disappointed in its demise, I > >>>>>> can't say I'm surprised. Of all the pro studio > >>>>>> photographers I met while > >>>>>> working at Reed's (many dozens, at least), > >> maybe > >>>>>> > >>>> two > >>>> > >>>>>> of them used digital > >>>>>> medium format. One only used it because he was > >>>>>> close friends with our > >>>>>> Hasselblad rep. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While digital medium format is a nice idea and > >>>>>> > >>>> has a > >>>> > >>>>>> few image quality > >>>>>> benefits, I just don't think it makes sense > >> from > >>>>>> > >>>> a > >>>> > >>>>>> cost point of view. > >>>>>> Unfortunately for us Pentaxians, Pentax needs > >> to > >>>>>> stick with what will make them > >>>>>> money if they want to stay independant (and > >> keep > >>>>>> their medical devices business > >>>>>> at the same time). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This probably means the aperture simulator will > >>>>>> never show up again, even in a > >>>>>> hypothetical K1D. Pentax needs all the > >>>>>> > >>>> new-sales > >>>> > >>>>>> revenue it can get right now. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John > >>>>>> > >>>>> I wonder if a K1D with it's hypothetical FF > >> sensor > >>>>> will even be a reality now. If they are focusing > >>>>> > >>>> on > >>>> > >>>>> beginners and advanced amateurs then I doubt a > >> FF > >>>>> camera is on the horizion soon, if ever. Perhaps > >>>>> > >>>> when > >>>> > >>>>> the switch to FF becomes the norm in DSLR > >>>>> manufacturing maybe, but I wonder if Pentax will > >>>>> survive that long. This is interesting news > >>>>> considering the rumor posted the other day (from > >>>>> another forum) about the "new" cameras coming > >> out > >>>>> > >>>> in > >>>> > >>>>> the fall. > >>>>> > >>>>> If they have not had an R&D program running > >>>>> > >>>> parallel > >>>> > >>>>> with the development of the 645D for a FF DSLR > >>>>> > >>>> then I > >>>> > >>>>> would call this a big blunder on their part. A > >>>>> > >>>> full > >>>> > >>>>> frame DSLR would sell in huge numbers vs. a MF > >>>>> > >>>> digicam > >>>> > >>>>> anyday...even if it were a piece of crap. I > >> would > >>>>> > >>>> buy > >>>> > >>>>> one today as I'm learning to not much like the > >> 4/3 > >>>>> system. I just don't see the quality in the > >>>>> > >>>> smaller > >>>> > >>>>> sensor even if I enjoy using the K10D. So, I > >> would > >>>>> dump it in a hot minute for a FF camera that I > >> can > >>>>> > >>>> use > >>>> > >>>>> all of my existing lenses on. > >>>>> > >>>>> At this point, I'm really wondering what is > >> going > >>>>> > >>>> on > >>>> > >>>>> at Pentax. It may very well be a while before > >> the > >>>>> reality of what is happening will be known for > >>>>> > >>>> sure. > >>>> > >>>>> -Brendan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> __________________________________________________ > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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