On 5/31/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He was, depending upon how you reckon it, either first or eleventh.
>
> First because he was Jesus's follower before Jesus recruited Simon (aka
> Peter "the Rock") and his brother Andrew to be "fishers of men", and
> eleventh because others eventually superseded him in the hierarchy, and
> the name of the twelfth is unclear, being in various versions of the
> gospels called Jude, Thaddeous or Judas, brother of James, to
> distinguish him from Judas Iscariot.
>
> Matthias was the 13th disciple, recruited by the remaining eleven after
> the crucification to replace Judas Iscariot.
>

Judas was the 13th Apostle, because Miss Dubien, my fifth grade
teacher at St. Raphael's School in Montreal said so.

cheers,
frank

;-)


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