Thanks everyone.  I've never taken pictures of anything like this - in
fact, the most public thing I've photographed is landscapes while
hiking, so this is all great to learn.  I'm not really paranoid so
much as worried about the etiquette surrounding a building that holds
such a tragedy; the legality of it is less of an interest to me.  All
that being said, does anyone nearby want to come shoot it with me?

rg2


On 8/24/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The sidewalk along the perimeter of a property is usually part of the
> public right of way...
>
> Scott Loveless wrote:
> > William Robb wrote:
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tom Cakalic"
> >> Subject: Re: A Gray Matter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I might be mistaken, but I think in many cases that 'accesses' to private
> >>> property are also considered valid for certain public use unless they are
> >>> posted as "No Trespassing" and even then maybe there's a disconnect
> >>> between
> >>> the law and the way things really work (and of course the laws are
> >>> different
> >>> depending where you are).
> >>>
> >>> For instance, a walkway to one's door is generally used by the public...
> >>> delivery man, repair man, sales man...even though that walkway runs
> >>> through
> >>> one's yard.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Delivery people and the like (the paper boy, mailman, whatever), are
> >> generally considered to be invitees, and are automatically granted limited
> >> access to your property to conduct their business. The same with meter
> >> readers, who are granted access to your yard to do what they need to do.
> >> This does not, however, grant the casual pedestrian permission to use your
> >> property as a shortcut, that would be considered tresspassing.
> >> I believe that in the specific instance which brought us to this 
> >> discussion,
> >> the photographer would be considered a casual pedestrian rather than an
> >> invitee, and would be allowed on private property at the owners suffrance,
> >> and not because she had any particular right to be there.
> >>
> >> William Robb
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > I'd have to agree with Bill.  In most of the US trespass law is very
> > specifically defined.  e.g. Around here (PA) if a property is developed,
> > in use, fenced or posted, you shouldn't be on it without permission.  If
> > the land is undeveloped and not obviously used you can make limited,
> > non-destructive use of it.  Basically, if you're caught on the property
> > and haven't done anything to alter or damage it, about all the landowner
> > can do is ask you to leave.  But once he's done that, if you don't
> > comply you could be considered a trespasser.  I know there are special
> > rules for railroad properties but can't remember what they are, other
> > than they're more restrictive.  I would consider a sidewalk from a
> > public space to an entrance an invitation to knock on the door if you
> > need to speak with the occupant.  Nothing more.  I seriously doubt a
> > landowner could restrict someone from using a sidewalk along the
> > perimeter of his property.
> >
> >
>
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