The original question was tripod or no tripod for some still shots keep this
in mind. It'll help.
One fellow, Glen Tortorella, said:
> ... I find that when shooting a moving subject (i.e. a
> train), it is almost impossible to frame correctly when using a
tripod.
I said:
> The movie folks seem to be able to do this with ease, but then they
use a
> movie head with a large pan handle and smooooth movements. I've never
tried
> it but it seems that it would work, especially for trains.
Unfortunately,
> good movie heads are quite expensive.
[aside: Remember, movie filming not withstanding, WE are still talking about
a STILL shot of a moving train.]
Then you said:
> And the movie folk get as many takes as they want. "Okay, back her up
and
> do it again."
No, they don't when they shoot a train that's a mile long, takes a mile to
stop, hours to back it up, much time to get it up to speed, all while on a
commercial track thats likely to have another train comming through... and
they have done this! Framing for a train is trivial for those professionals.
It's confined to a specific place, the track. Further, we have it easier! We
are talking about a still shot! You know where the train is going to be when
you set up your shot (or you should). It's not like a car ora truck that can
move anywhere - it's on a track! You know about how high & wide the train
is. There are rules about this due to clearance requirements along railways,
and besides we've all seen trains and know their size - relative to the size
of the track if we need help. further, Since you know where the train is
going to be (or you should), focus on the track at the point where the train
to be when you pull the trigger!
But more importantly, back to Mr. Tortorella, he's already shooting said
train hand held. He didn't have the luxury of retakes without a movie pan
head on a tripod and no one is immagining that he will need retakes if he
uses one. He didn't have the luxury of someone to adjust his focus for him
and no one is immagining that he will have someone to to do this or that he
needs such a person if he were to use a movie pan head on a tripod.
Same - same.
So back to the original point and it's associated question.
...and the difference between your hand holding and letting a movie head
hold the weight of the camera and reduce vibration for your still shot of
the train is... what???? What would make it "... almost impossible to frame
correctly when using a tripod." if a movie pan head were used???? is the
context!
Regards,
Bob...
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it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I have no idea what you're asking. You said the movie folk make it look
>easy. I tried to explain that while it may look easy in the finished
>product, it takes a lot of work to get there. Nothing more. Peter attempted
>to make the same point. When shooting with a camera on tripod with a movie
>head or any head, you don't get a chance to frame before you shoot --
>assuming you haven't hired a train and crew to work with you. You make your
>best guess and try to keep the train in frame as it roars by. That's easier
>when you're handholding. Been there, done that.
> Paul
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> You keep the train in frame the "frame" of your choice until you pass the
>> point of shutter trip. You can know where that point is whether you hand
>> hold or use a tripod.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob...
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>> "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . .
>> it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
>> What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow."
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>> > And the movie folk get as many takes as they want. "Okay, back her up
>> > and
>> > do it again."
>>
>> And you don't - and the difference between your hand holding and letting
>> a
>> movie head hold the weight of the camera and reduce vibration is... what?
>>
>> > Not to mention that they can get their frame and focus with the train
>> > parked.
>>
>> And you THINK you can't - and the difference between your hand holding
>> and
>> letting a movie head hold the weight of the camera and reduce vibration
>> is... what?
>>
>> > G[e]nerally, they mark the lens for different focus points along the
>> > track, and as the train moves with the camera rolling, the camera
>> > assistant "pulls focus."
>>
>> And you don't have this convenience - and the difference between your
>> hand
>> holding and letting a movie head hold the weight of the camera and reduce
>> vibration is... what?
>>
>>
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