>...after hearing of all the various problems others are having, I doubt if 
>I'll bother to submit anything (and I *still* haven't written a bio).

I've got a fair number of images accepted into the Gallery & several into 
the Premiere Gallery.
I've handed out my Pentax gallery address to a lot of people & the response 
I get back from most of them is that are really impressed with the overall 
manner in which the images are presented.

I couldn't have done that kind of presentation without having my own web 
site with its attending costs & maintenance.

And yes, I'm getting more rejections now than early on.
I can also say that I see a lot of images up for voting now that I would 
never think of submitting.  The images I saw posted in the gallery in the 
beginning are much better than what I see in the voting section now.

my $.02 worth.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"


>
>
> Gee thanks.  Now how do I get this arrow out of my butt?
>
> Ob.Trivia - did you know that archery targets are called 'butts'?
>            Do you know why?
>
>
> As far as the Pentax Gallery goes - I didn't submit originally
> for a couple of reasons; my first attempt didn't work (because
> I was trying to submit a scanned image, and there was a bug in
> their validation code), and I never got round to writing a bio.
>
> Now, after hearing of all the various problems others are having,
> I doubt if I'll bother to submit anything (and I *still* haven't
> written a bio).
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:07:05PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
>> >  How can I aim for a target if I can't see it?
>>
>> You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind
>> Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and
>> to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the
>> stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow?
>> Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not
>> know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as
>> melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the
>> string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> --
>>  Bob
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of frank theriault
>> > Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29
>> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> > Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"
>> >
>> > On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >Question: how subjective is this standard?
>> > >
>> > > Same as all competitions: Very.
>> > >
>> > > Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest
>> because,
>> > > unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target
>> > > (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not
>> > agree with their
>> > > choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to
>> achieve
>> > > what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer.
>> > >
>> > > I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more
>> > > demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating
>> > things that
>> > > please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.
>> >
>> > I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what
>> > the standard is.  How can I aim for a target if I can't see it?
>> >
>> > There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the "accepted
>> > artists' voting":  How many votes are required to be accepted or
>> > rejected?  What percentage of "yes" votes is required for
>> acceptance?
>> >  and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first
>> > "screening" can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel.  We don't
>> > know who those people are, and what they're looking for.
>> >
>> > It's all very "closed door", which to me makes it something of a
>> > crap-shoot.  I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them
>> > all rejected makes me a better photographer.
>> >
>> > It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I
>> > want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me.  Some may
>> find
>> > this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't.
>> >
>> > I mean, hey, no hard feelings.  Pentax can run this thing any way
>> they
>> > want;  it's their contest.  However, if this is the way they choose
>> to
>> > run it, my choice is to not participate.
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > frank
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>> >
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