I was wondering ...

On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:53:24AM -0500, Bill Owens wrote:
> Should be 4-6-6-4.
> 
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> graywolf
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:44 AM
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> Subject: Re: More stream power
> 
> The Lima built Allegheny (4-3-3-4, I think) was designed as a passenger 
> locomotive but were mostly used to haul coal. Strange, since creeping along
> at 
> those speeds they only produced about half the horsepower they were capable
> of. 
> They were one of the biggest most powerful steam locomotives ever made. C&O
> ran 
> them with 140 car coal trains, although I have read that they used a second 
> engine as a pusher in the mountains.
> 
> My folks used to have a photo of me standing next to one. I must have been 5
> or 
> 6. The center of the drivers were above the top of my head. I was obscured
> by a 
> cloud of steam. I believe that one was running a passenger train that my dad
> was 
>   a passenger on.
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > Thanks Adam,
> > 4-8-4 and a passenger locomotive.  Impressive!
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> > 
> > On 11/7/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> N&W was one of the last of the great US roads to dieselize, although UP
> >> would run steam longer after dieselization (UP tried just about
> >> everything possible as motive power in the 1950's, but was primarily
> >> diesel early on).
> >>
> >> The J's weren't freight locomotive's, they were fast passenger
> >> locomotives (The large drivers are typical for passenger units, most
> >> freight locomotives had smaller-drivers which were slower, but offered
> >> more traction). N&W's great freight locomotives were the Y Class
> >> Mallets, which were 2-8-8-2's  with 16 drive wheels(the J's were
> >> 4-8-4's). There were 14 J's, but only 8 of them were streamlined (the 5
> >> prewar J's and the 3 built in 1950, the other 6 built during WW2 lacked
> >> streamlining as an austerity measure).
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >>> Interesting.  That makes the N&W Mechanical Department the
> >>> manufacturer.  'See, we don't need any of those stinking diesel
> >>> locomotives!  We can be just as pretty with steam.'
> >>>
> >>> More seriously, I think the coal service of the N&W operated steam for
> >>> longer than most railroads.  Moving the heavy coal drags was a chore
> >>> that suited the steam power's performance characteristics.  With the 4
> >>> main drive axels on that locomotive, she had to be in freight service.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,  Bob S/
> >>>
> >>> On 11/6/07, Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Bob,
> >>>>
> >>>> In this case, the manufacturer was the railroad.  The N&W built a lot
> of
> >>>> their own engines and all of their coal hoppers, all in the Roanoke
> shops.
> >>>> At one time they had 4 of these J series engines, but only 611 is left
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Bob
> >>>> Sullivan
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:52 PM
> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >>>> Subject: Re: More stream power
> >>>>
> >>>> Prettied up with a streamlined exterior.  In the '50's, the locomotive
> >>>> manufacturers were trying to hold onto their customer base.  Not as
> >>>> much muscle visible here.
> >>>> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/6/07, Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=200851&nseq=10
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not my photo, but a classic steam locomotive built at the Norfolk and
> >>>>> Western shops in Roanoke, VA.  It was built in 1950 and was arguably
> the
> >>>>> most efficient steam engine ever built.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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