On Jan 8, 2008 11:41 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. )

I did not realize Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms needed changing. <g>

Dave
> Paul
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > While I agree in principle, the regular maintenance of any modern
> > vehicle does actually require more than changing the oil and filter
> > periodically. Unless you're unconcerned with the lifespan of the
> > vehicle, which I guess might be the case with a leased vehicle.
> >
> > Of course, there's also the time and effort associated with proper
> > disposal of the waste oil and filter, which is toxic waste and might
> > also have additional expenses associated with it.
> >
> > BTW, while modern synthetic oils do maintain their lubricity for far
> > greater than older oils and modern engines run cleaner, there are
> > still lots of combustion toxins and engine part corrosivie impurities
> > that the oil is infused with during normal operation, which is why
> > you're changing the oil. If you want to change the oil on a very long
> > service interval, you should change the filter every 5000-6000 miles
> > and replenish the oil to make up for the losses incurred.
> >
> > The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance
> > of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating
> > the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil
> > and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to
> > spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and
> > battery system, and a few other details. It takes about an hour and a
> > quarter, if you have the right equipment, and the $90 service charge
> > includes toxic waste disposal fees. I don't have the right equipment
> > to do the whole job correctly ... Since I own the car and intend to
> > keep it in top condition for at 8 years, that $90 every four to six
> > months/5000 miles is a good investment.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >
> > > Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five
> > > dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result.
> > > Paul
> > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a leased automobile? That would be very odd.
> > >>
> > >> Godfrey
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did
> > >>> all
> > >>> of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle
> > >>> now).
> > >>>
> > >>> -Adam
> > >>>
> > >>> On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep
> > >>>>> leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend
> > >>>>> even an hour in the dealership.  ...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-)
>
> > >>>>
> >
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