I want the world and know I can't have it. Tom
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote: > Tom, you'll be in the same boat with any system. Canon 6mp cameras are now > selling for even less than Pentax. Read the Canon forums and you'll find > that Canon has it's share of problems, with exposure, noise, focus, you name > it. The question is what do you want, and is it even possible to get it. > Tom C wrote: >> >> I basically agree. I thought because of the sensor, CMOS vs. CCD, >> that the K20D/K10D difference was considered quite large. >> >> Here's my chagrined viewpoint on the K-7, with my own rationale >> applied, and I reserve the right to change my mind: >> >> 1. First I have really been close to purchasing a Canon EOS 5D MK II >> and still am, so there is an issue of 'do I want to spend a >> significant amount of money on the K-7'? >> 2. I've been very unhappy with the K20D, mainly in the area of >> exposure accuracy. A very high number of images require adjustment and >> it's unpredictable at times. I thought Pentax 'got it right ' before, >> at least that's what all the cheering for their two prior top-end >> cameras would lead one to believe. So I'm left wondering... have they >> really got it right this time? >> 3. The review on dpreview states the K-7 has "More RAW noise than >> predecessor (but in line with competition)". That sounds like a >> potential 1/4 step backwards in image quality from the K20D. It also >> reveals "In numerical terms the K-7 teams up with its predecessor in >> being the noisiest camera in this group of four cameras". >> 4. The review on dpreview states the K-7 has "Less dynamic range than >> direct competitors" and "At it default settings the K-7 produces >> slightly less dynamic range than its predecessor". Again that sounds >> like a potential step backwards in image quality. >> 5. The review states "Therefore, purely from an image quality point of >> view, there is no pressing need for K20D users to upgrade". >> >> All of that being said, I realize that these reviews are often >> splitting hairs on the numbers, and the testing really only covers >> performance in one set of conditions, and graphs don't always tell the >> true story. >> >> There is much to like about the K-7. Some of the features that >> especially appeal to me are the magnesium body being smaller/lighter, >> 100% viewfinder, the in camera composition adjustment feature, the >> level indicator and level adjust features, and the CTE white-balance >> setting (to keep sunsets looking like sunsets), and maybe a 77-segment >> meter will help with exposure accuracy. >> >> So I'm undecided at this point, and I have not held the camera in my >> hand, nor had first-hand experience using it. >> >> When I look at what the money is buying, I'm unsure that I'll see a >> difference in image quality. Of course, the #1 determinant of that is >> the human behind the viewfinder, but considering that to be equal, >> will there be a difference? The Canon has a 6.5 MP advantage which I >> believe will make a noticeable difference. >> >> As one other poster noted, and I'll paraphrase, 'maybe waiting for the >> K-7 successor is a viable option for K10/20D owners'. I sort of feel >> we're on the disposable camera bandwagon here. The K10/20/7 all have >> the same nominal sensor resolution, and similar noise issues, similar >> AF systems still regarded as slow, and by all accounts regardless of >> desirable features, little if any inherent difference in image quality >> (can't speak for K10D). My K20D is not even two years old. Having >> paid $1100 for it, I now would feel lucky if I could get $500 >> reselling it. If I buy a K-7 and a year from now Pentax decides to >> release a 20+ MP body, I'd guess I would be in the same boat... having >> just spent upwards of $1000 on what is a disposable camera due to the >> fact that it will be considered obsolete by today's standards. Of >> course the same can be said regardless of manufacturer. >> >> I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf >> collecting dust, and I see the K20D soon becoming a paper-weight as >> well. >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:29 AM, AlunFoto <alunf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> 2009/10/3 paul stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net>: >>> >>>> >>>> I had a K20D and a K10D. The K20D was my every day camera, and the K10D >>>> was >>>> a backup. When the K7 was introduced I bought one and sold the K10. >>>> Believe >>>> me, the K7D is a big step up from the K20. Exposure is much better, the >>>> faster write speed is a blessing, and the autofocus is superior in every >>>> situation I've encountered. I find it difficult to use the K20 these >>>> days, >>>> although it's fine for when I have to shoot with two cameras. >>>> >>> >>> Now it's time for my "me too". However I have sold my K20D and picked >>> up a second K-7 the day before yesterday. The AF speed is my killer >>> feature. >>> >>> When the K20D I was a bit surprised by how all the forums blabbed >>> about it being a "minor upgrade" from K10D, despite the facts. They >>> are two very, very different beasts. The K10D was probably as good as >>> any APS-C CCD sensor could get, and Pentax used a 22 bit A/D converter >>> to make sure they got the best signal achievable out of it. From there >>> to K20D's CMOS is nothing short of a new paradigma. The K-7 also >>> introduce a new tech platform since they've changed the operating >>> voltage, but the technological difference between K20D and K-7 is much >>> less of a revolution than the previous leap. Yet it receives so much >>> more attention. :-) >>> >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ >>> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > > > The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or > drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. 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