poor people don't need to care. if you cut your output in half they still don't have half of that. poor people can't afford to live, let alone to be buried.
2011/2/7 P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>: > You miss the point, rich people have fewer children and can afford to care > about the environment, poor people have more children, and can't afford to > care. > > On 2/6/2011 5:33 PM, DagT wrote: >> >> You miss the point. This is now. Will 2 billion more consumers affect the >> world climate, or not. >> >> In my view we should try to develop other resources anyway. Reduce our >> need for oil, and you also reduce the power of some countries (including >> Norway) and the possible negative effect on the climate. Rich countries tend >> to be technologically conservative. >> >> The US, more than most, has had the advantage of being able to utilize new >> ideas and new technology. Why limit the technology research to the oil >> industry and listen to their arguments, when you can get the advantage of >> investigating other solutions. The climate may not be a perfectly sound >> argument it is difficult to get absolute proof, but the effects of being >> wrong are very dangerous and the advantages of being right are something for >> the future. >> >> Do you want the chinese to develop superior technology when finding that >> the oil is too expensive? >> >> DagT >> http://www.thrane.name >> >> >> >> Den 6. feb. 2011 kl. 22.37 skrev P. J. Alling: >> >>> I would be much happier if the Indians and Chinese became rich enough to >>> buy those cars, they'd stop having so many children and relieve a lot of the >>> stress on all the worlds systems. Rich peoples have fewer children all >>> other things being equal. Actually China is a strange case. Their one >>> child policy has caused a couple of counter intuitive but very real >>> problems, the Chinese have a surplus of young men, boys children being >>> preferred over girls in Chinese society, and demographically a population >>> that's ageing faster than almost any other in Asia. It will be interesting >>> to see what happens there if I live long enough. >>> >>> >>> On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, DagT wrote: >>>> >>>> At what number do you think the exploding number of humans, with their >>>> technology and consumption, WILL make a difference to the climate? Never? >>>> >>>> I don´t know if it has happened yet, although the erratic behavior of >>>> the climate indicates that we have come to that point. The point is: I hope >>>> we never get there. The moment we have a significant influence on the world >>>> climate we have passed the point of no return. I think we should be careful >>>> long before we reach that point. >>>> >>>> Just imagine the impact of more than 2 billion chinese and indian people >>>> being able to buy their own car, as well as getting electricity into their >>>> houses. >>>> >>>> DagT >>>> http://www.thrane.name >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Den 6. feb. 2011 kl. 16.54 skrev P. J. Alling: >>>> >>>>> The climate changes, it has been for the entire time life has been on >>>>> earth. We, and all other life, adapt, or die. >>>>> >>>>> Your implication is that somehow our actions make a particularly large >>>>> difference is ludicrous, and always has been. We can create localized >>>>> micro >>>>> climate changes. Very little more. >>>>> >>>>> CO2 the common boogieman is a trace element. A good volcanic eruption >>>>> will add more to the atmosphere in one year than has the entire industrial >>>>> revolution, yet it the long run it barely registers. >>>>> >>>>> The best predictor of future climate is the sunspot cycle yet most >>>>> "climate scientests" completely ignore it*, because we don't have a good >>>>> idea of exactly why it works. But you know we don't have a particularly >>>>> good model of how anything in climate works. None of the common models >>>>> predict the future, none even reliably predict the past, unless you >>>>> "massage" the data so much it would make an Economist blush. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *That wasn't always the case, I remember learning about it in physical >>>>> science classes in Jr. High School. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/2011 3:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you be more specific? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:54 AM, P. J. >>>>>> Alling<webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Total Bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/6/2011 2:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wonderful! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, there is no such thing as "global warming." It is more >>>>>>>> correctly >>>>>>>> referred to a "climate change," and more that warming the entire >>>>>>>> planet, it is bringing us more extreme weather of all types. If we >>>>>>>> keep calling it "global warming," people suffering from unusual cold >>>>>>>> and extreme snows fall to connect what is happening to them with the >>>>>>>> world-wide changes affecting us all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Collin Brendemuehl >>>>>>>> <coll...@brendemuehl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/1/129068813376929711.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Collin Brendemuehl >>>>>>>>> http://kerygmainstitute.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot >>>>>>>>> lose" >>>>>>>>> -- Jim Elliott >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Where's the Kaboom? 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