On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:03 , Bob W wrote: >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> Joseph McAllister >> >> I agree with the balloon example you describe John. But where did all >> the space on the inside (as populated with matter as the outside >> surface of the balloon) come from. When I speak or think of a >> "singularity" in the current model, I am referring to the "Big Bang", >> before which there was no time, no matter, no space. >> > > I don't claim to understand this stuff, but I don't think anyone claims > there was no time, no matter and no space, just that when we get there we > have plumbed the depths of our ignorance. In other words, we don't know > anything beyond the big bang, and we're probably in the position of the dog > that tries to contemplate double-entry bookkeeping - baffled - but it > doesn't mean double-entry bookkeeping doesn't exist.
Not claims; are their ever any? Theoretical science always calls it a theory. And yes, I have seen both on the TV (science channel) and read about several possibilities in this area. The most postulated is that the universe was at the beginning that oft mentioned singularity. As such, negating the parallel universe theory, there could not be anything prior to the Big Bang, rapid inflation, and continuing expansion to the point in time we now occupy. Before the bang, no time, no matter, no universe. How can there BE time if nothing existed. I'm not saying a cookoo clock type of time, but "anything" that would require time, space, or matter. According to theory with a smattering of scientific derivation and assumption, as my sig theory states, Atoms did not exist when bang happened, at least for a few trillionths of a second. There was no light until photons were formed. Don't want to go into mass and matter just now. With no atoms, no electrons, nothing yet, there was no timeI just don't see an infinitely dense infinitely small dot which contained nothing actually having a time frame. That's if you go along with the Big Bang theory. It does leave a little opening for believers in a God to fall back on, if you wish to think that singularity was created by the big guy. Another, more logical to me theory is that this universe consists of matter that "squirted" out of a dense black hole in another universe. That can explain away many tough to grasp parts of the singularity and Big Bang theory. Then there is the manyverse camp, in which many universes are connected by black holes and tunnels that string theory talks about, which are used to balance the various 'verses by transferring matter through to anyverse that is lacking. It's always late when I read these responses to my writing of the late night before. During the day, none of this crap comes to the surface of my consciousness, and so on and so on. One more thing. Universal Theories and Bookkeeping? Please do better. Although, there was Einstein, wasn't there. But that was patents, not bookkeeping that kept him busy during the daylight hours. If we stick to this kind of discussion long enough, perhaps PDML will foster some great theories of it's own! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
