There are plans that eliminate fossil and nuclear: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030
Problems? Sure, but at the very least it would cut back dramatically on fossil and nuclear. These guys aren't just some nut jobs; these are some realistic projections about what we could do. And again, even if it's 50% successful, we cut back on a lot of other methods. More to the point, let me wave the flag a bit. The US is better equipped than most countries to put this into action and give ourselves true energy independence. This is probably our biggest vulnerability and it is easily in our best interests to put this into action. Of course, fusion is a great long term prospect, but it has proven so difficult to devlop that it could still be another 25-75 years before we get it. On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: > We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra? > > We spent a lot on development of wind turbines, but most proposals > have been stalled by environmental concerns (bird deaths) and > objections on aesthetic grounds. New Jersey is now proposing off > shore wind turbines. > > Even in Hawaii, where the winds are very reliable, the large and very > visible wind farms are able to produce only a small fraction of the > electric generation. > > My county here in New Jersey has spent a lot of money over the past 5 > years paying for solar panels on all county and municipal governmental > buildings and all school buildings. Some of our largest local > industrial concerns, like J&J, Roche and and Merck, have installed > huge solar farms. It has actually helped the local budgets and taxes > quite a bit, but it hasn't really made much of a dent in the total > energy needs of the area. > > Unfortunately, it's fossil fuels or nukes. Name your poison. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bob W <p...@web-options.com> wrote: >> None of those things are good, Dan. Electricity is great. Wouldn't it be >> nice to try and get electricity without them? >> >> The status quo is something that we can change. We can make things better >> for ourselves if we try, and if we put a bit of money and research into it. >> It might not happen in our generation, but that's no reason to accept things >> the way they are, or to believe everything that the vested interests tell >> us. >> >> The celebrity physicist Brian Cox recently pointed out on the BBC that "the >> UK has spent more on saving banks in a year than it has on science since >> Jesus, and look what we did with that - we invented the industrial world". >> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18736011> >> >> I have no doubt that the figures for the USA and the rest of the world are >> similar. >> >> If we put just a little bit more of the money into researching alternatives >> to the bad energy stuff, perhaps we could have electricity without, or with >> significantly reduced, risk and actual environmental destruction. >> >> Here are some more cloud factories: >> <http://www.web-options.com/Pick2007/content/_6025459_large.html> >> >> B >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >>> Daniel J. Matyola >>> Sent: 12 August 2012 18:55 >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>> >>> Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you >>> don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like >>> electricity either. >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com >>> <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being >>> "scary" was because I thought it was a nuclear plant. >>> > >>> > Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it >>> can actually be quite clean these days. I think I'd prefer fossil fuel >>> to nuclear. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > frank >>> > >>> > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." >>> > -- Christopher Hitchens >>> > >>> > --- Original Message --- >>> > >>> > From: Steven Desjardins <drd1...@gmail.com> >>> > Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12 >>> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >>> > Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>> > >>> > Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's a coal-fired power plant. The hot >>> > water they were releasing into the river was harming the fish, so >>> they >>> > built cooling towers like aNuclear plant. It's essentially a >>> > self-contained system. 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