Allegations are one thing, facts are, of course, something else.

People are calling anything they don't understand AI.

The question is, what AI would be in a viewfinder that can't be explained away by a simple algorithm?

Highlight correction? We already have that, an EV just makes it visible. Shadow protection? Same thing, the algorithm in the camera lets the photographer see the correction.

These things exist, the EV just makes them visible before the button is pressed.

Certainly I can envision a day when a person points a camera at a landscape with "AI Sky mode" turned on and the camera inserts a "better sky" for example. If that's the type of photography a person wants to do, that's on them.

bill

On 1/11/2026 9:32 PM, Alan Cole wrote:
Good day, Bill

Many thanks for your eredite explanation & the time you took to compile it. (A mini-thesis actually!). I agree with everything you say.

However, I have read a couple of reviews where it was alleged that the EVF image had clearly been embellished by an AI algorithm. So, does one really know?

With my K5 I shoot almost exclusively in TAV mode with the shutter speed set to roughly 3x the focal length. In the bright light we experience in this part of the world the ISO is seldom more than 1600 so noise is negligible. With the screw drive lenses I have, admittedly the AF is slow, but fortunately the subjects which interest me are not fast moving apart from aerobatics. In that case I have found that MF at a small aperture to increase DOF is the only way. A K3 or K1 with PLM lenses would do much better but such luxuries are a pipe dream.

Alan C   (In a rather soggy Phalaborwa)

On 11/01/2026 19:48, Bill wrote:
EVFs have an advantage when light levels are such that focusing through an OVF is pure guesswork while an EVF gains up so you can see what your doing. Yes noise goes up, but I'll take a noisy viewfinder that I can focus with over a dark viewfinder that makes focusing impossible.

For times when critical focus is required an EVF can zoom in on the point of critical focus (yes, a DSLR can do that in live view, which is defacto using the camera as if it has an EVF).

For times when focus is critical an an EVF will provide focus peaking while an OVF will at best give you a green light focus indicator that what the camera thinks it's pointing at is in focus. DSLR AF sensors have a bad habit of being too large, misaligned or (and the K5 was a brutally bad example of this) colour failure of the AF sensor causing front or rear focusing.

My own K5 had unfixable AF colour failure to the point I was unable to use AF in the studio or any time the light colour wasn't unadulterated daylight.

When doing head & shoulders portraits with my K1 (and every AF Pentax I've used) putting the focus point on the subject's eye more often than not puts critical focus on the eyebrow, meaning that if I'm trying to control DOF with a wider aperture I'm out of focus. Not every picture want's f8, but with Pentax that was my only solution to have some assurance that the eye would fall into the DOF and look at least halfways in focus.

With my Fuji I can use my 56/1.2 or 75/1.2 at f1.2 and secure critical focus every time with a close H&S portrait. With my Pentax DFA* 85/1.2 on the K1 I have to stop down to f8 and pray, which kind of makes all that extra money I paid for it something of a waste, especially when the 85mm focal length is considered a common portrait focal length on the format.

Most of the time these days I'm using a Fuji X-T5, a camera that isn't renowned for having the best AF out there. Sony and Nikon apparently are significantly better, but the Fuji is still pretty darned good.

I can tell the camera which eye I want it focused on and it locks onto that eye and holds focus no matter where it moves in the frame. I can set my focus spot on a single person in a group and it will hold that person in focus even as the person moves through a crowd.

And no, Alan, an EVF isn't AI, it's a direct representation of what the sensor sees with no potential alignment issues causing the viewfinder to see things the sensor isn't.

So yes, EVFs have some tremendous advantages over OVFs in some situations.

The disadvantages are that some people are sensitive to EVF flicker. I know I am, but the manufacturers seem to have overcome this. My X-T1 gave me a blinding headache if I looked through the viewfinder for more than half a minute at a time. My X-T5 doesn't, and it isn't even the best viewfinder that Fuji makes. Those are reserved for the X-H# series.

Battery life suffers with an EVF, but much of this can be mitigated via not having the viewfinder turn itself on until the viewfinder is looked through. And obviously, carrying spare batteries

And the biggest disadvantage that I see to EVFs is religion. People have made OVF vs EVF into some sort of God fearing issue where one or the other is the one true way and a pox on anyone who thinks differently.

And yes, that is a two way street with zealotry on both sides.

bill

On 1/10/2026 11:26 PM, Alan Cole wrote:
On 11/01/2026 00:43, Larry Colen wrote:
there are times that there are distinct advantages of EVF over OVF.

Such as? OVF is the real thing, EVF is AI.

My K5 (ex Mark Cassino) & a few lenses up to 500mm suit me just fine.

Alan C


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