Jon,

I'm with you because I've been there. Many however won't take anyone's word and need to suffer for themselves. Oh well name branding sells. The interesting thing is that some nonuser in many cases makes the decision for the company irregardless of any inputs. One a tool is in place and libraries designs etc are there getting it changes is a strong experience I've gone thru more than once.

Joe


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Elson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Message to Altium !!!





Bruce Northrop wrote:

So much for professionalism.


Yeah, he's dreaming of pie in the sky now, but next week, when he
starts using that wonderful new (but unnamed) software, his dream
job may become a horrible nightmare.

I tried using some Mentor tools for IC design, but it is part of the same
suite that contains the PCB tools. I just wanted to get a feel for the process
that the guys who were designing an ASIC for us would go through.


I followed a tutorial, and laid out a flip-flop and simulated it.
The tools appeared to be a GUI grafted onto a bunch of code that
was essentially unchanged since it ran on punch cards on an IBM 360
mainframe 30 years ago.  There were layers of huge menus with 30+
items in them, which called up more menus, ad infinitum.  Commands
were only available from the right menu, or with 2 letter key sequences.
I came back on Monday and had fogotten everything I had figured out
just 2 days before.

If this is what the PCB tools are like, I'm sure glad I can't afford them!

Jon



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