There is always a danger in responding to the likes of you; I'm not going to change your mind, so why bother? And if you do state your opinion people like you just attack people like me until we shut up. You see it on these "news" programs where the guy with the loudest voice wins.
Of course, I am entitled to my opinion, and this is an open forum, so here it is. You fundamental reasoning flaw is comparing hardware advances to software. The PCs we use today are the result of an investment of many billions of dollars. They are cheap because they produce so many of them. If everyone who bought a pc also bought protel it would only cost $5, but they don't. That said, if you don't like the price DON'T BUY IT! Which is, apparently, exactly what you have done. I just don't need to hear the bitching day after day after day. Tom Seim Senior Engineer IV Instrument Development Laboratory Environmental Molecular Sciences Laboratory PNNL 509-376-2533 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bagotronix Tech Support Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:03 AM To: Protel EDA Discussion List Subject: Re: [PEDA] Missing Internal Pads on ODB] Hi, Tom! See my "preposterous rebuttals" below. And take a chill pill while you're at it. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com Seim, Thomas A wrote: > > > Brad Velander wrote: > > Sure their software is worth more than it used to be but not more > than > doubling the price in the past 4 - 5 years. > > > True, in fact, I'd say that in some ways there is justification for > pricing it less. Hardware is > subject to incremental improvement in > functionality and decreases in price over time. Every other > > technology good follows this pricing trend - why doesn't software? > It's not as if each new release > > must be a complete rewrite from scratch - much existing code is > modified and augmented. What is the > justification for perpetually > increasing the price of software? > Could it just be greed? > > I simply can't stand to listen to these preposterous accusations > anymore. Why not? It's just some ignorant malcontents blowing off steam, right? Right? ;-) > > When PCs first came out in the 80s the typical compiler price was $395. > Since then the inflation adjusted price would be about $1000. I can go > out and buy a compile (I can also download gcc for free!) for under > $100, and it is a MUCH BETTER compiler than the 1980 version. The > first cad package I bought was EE Designer and it cost $995 in 1985, > so it would be about $2000 today. And it was virtually unusable (12.5 > mil grid!). My first PC (a 286) cost me about $5000 when I included a > color monitor, controller and additional memory (a WHOLE 1.5 MB!). > That is what my current workstation (dual 3.4GHz Xeon w/3GB ram) cost. Well, here you go with the hardware examples, which just prove my point. The software example you gave isn't even offered for sale anymore, so we don't really know how much it would cost if it's lineage had continued to present day. > > People ignore the explosion of features and capabilities that are put > into this software. I guess you expect to get that for free. Hello, it > is not realistic to get something for free. Some will say they don't > want those features. Then stick with the old stuff or don't buy it in > the first place. There is even a market for old cad software, so if > you don't have it you can buy it from someone else. To fairly compare > prices you have to compare capabilities as well. I have personally > paid people to tape pc layouts; it took WEEKS! Now I can generate > Gerbers with a touch of a button. This is called "increased > productivity", and it is why we enjoy the standard of living that we > have in this country, Canada and western Europe. I don't expect to get increased functionality for free. However, I do expect to not have to pay ever increasing prices for features that may not benefit my productivity. I have not seen the value proposition in upgrading Protel after 99SE, so I continue to use 99SE. You talk about "increased productivity". Where is the increased productivity in software development that would allow new features and improvements in software to cost no more than the current product? I haven't seen an example of that for a while... > > I would venture to guess that many of you belly achers on this forum > haven't switched to other cad software because you haven't been able > to find something with a better price/performance ratio. If you have I > would like to hear about it! Well, if I found it, you would be the last person I would tell. You seem to be complacent with the status guo... > > Tom Seim > Senior Engineer IV > Instrument Development Laboratory > Environmental Molecular Sciences Laboratory PNNL > 509-376-2533 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
