List,

Since my youth I've been interested in what was once called the 'new
physics', especially cosmology and quantum theory, from an
amateur's standpoint, perhaps beginning in middle school when my older
brother, Richard, gave me a book, *The Boy Scientist (A Popular Mechanics
Book)* by John Bryan Lewellen (1955). In my reading concerning quantum
theory, every once in a while I come across this quotation by Max Planck.

“I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from
consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk
about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”  (*The
Observer*, January 25, 1931)

Planck expanded on this idea in the course of his work. For example, in a
1944 lecture):

“There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by
virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and
holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume
behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind -- this
mind is the matrix of all matter.” (*“The Nature of Matter”* (Das Wesen der
Materie), Florence, 1944)

Of course each time I read such quotations I can't help but think of this
famous Peirce quotation.

"The one intelligible theory of the universe is that of objective idealism,
that matter is effete mind, inveterate habits becoming physical laws." CP
6.25

It would appear that both thinkers saw Mind as the ultimate foundation of
Reality including, of course, our experience of it, and that matter only
makes sense within that  framework. In short, both argue that the existence
of matter presupposes mind, ". . . the matrix of all matter” as Planck put
it.

So it would appear that Planck, the so-called 'father of quantum theory',
and Peirce, the 'founder of philosophical pragmatism' (and 'founder of
semeiotics' -- at least the triadic form of it) both advanced this idea,
yet from somewhat different standpoints: Planck from investigations at the
forefront of the physics of his time, Peirce from the forefront of
investigations into logic as semeiotic.

Peirce developed his position via a comprehensive philosophical
'system', incomplete as it may be in certain regards. For him, mind and
matter are not separate 'substances' (which is dualism) but, rather,
proceed along a continuum, matter appearing as the more fixed, habitual
form of mind’s activity, mind being more 'fluid' (while his *semiosic
synchecism *allows for the evolution of both and together).

To me, Peirce’s view on the matter seems more 'naturalistic' than Planck's
as he places the primacy of mind within an evolutionary cosmology, while
Planck attributes it to a singular conscious source. As is well known, they
both characterized themselves as theists, although it can be argued (and I
do mean both pro and con) that each saw God/Mind as a unifying, rational,
ordering principle of the cosmos and less the anthropomorphic deity of
traditional theology. And both emphasized that science and religion needn't
be in conflict, for Planck because he considered that they deal with
different aspects of reality: famously, science with the *how *of things,
religion with the *why *of them. I'm not sure at the moment how I'd
characterize Peirce's position on this matter. Any thoughts there?

As I see it, and in a nutshell, for Planck mind/consciousness is an
irreducible *point d'origin* that underlies all physical existence. For
Peirce it is the ongoing, universal, continuous, semiosic process from
which matter forms. Planck’s vision is more reflective, leaning towards
personal metaphysical assertions; Peirce’s vision is semiotically
structured, mind seen within a more fully developed, detailed, and
considerably more systematized  account of cosmic development.

As always, I'd be interested in what forum members think about any of this
matter of Planck and Peirce seeing mind as primary, matter secondary

Best,

Gary R
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