Howard, Stan, list, If we take the "irreducibly triadic nature" of the ultimate reality seriously, we probably cannot ascribe the reality to the physical world alone, the Platonic form alone, or the mental world alone, but to ALL of THESE simultaneously. Such a viewpoint may be called the "irreducibly triadic world view" (ITWV). I have not read Penrose yet, but I would not be surprised at all if his view is consistent with ITWV as, I suspect, Peirce's viewpoint would be.
With all the best. Sung __________________________________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 732-445-4701 www.conformon.net > At 03:52 PM 12/8/2014, Stanley N Salthe wrote: >>HP: The physical world is a subset of the world of mathematical models. >> >>S: This makes no sense to me. The world is not a model. > > HP: I agree; but a hard-core Platonist like > Penrose calls our world a subset of the Platonic forms. > Of course this is one of many irrefutable myths. > > Howard > >> >> >>STAN >> >>On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Howard Pattee >><<mailto:hpat...@roadrunner.com>hpat...@roadrunner.com> wrote: >>At 11:00 AM 12/7/2014, Stanley N Salthe wrote: >>>SS: If we understand the meaning of the >>>Spencer-Comte-Peirce hierarchy (a subsumptive hierarchy) >>>{physics {chemistry {biology {sociology}}}} I >>>think it is impossible to be unpersuaded by it! >>HP: I was not talking about subsumptive >>hierarchies, but the Peircean claim that >>logic/semiotics is "higher" than science. I >>think this means that you should begin all your >>models with logic/semiotics. It claims that >>logic is the foundational on which all other models, like science, must >> rest. >>Penrose's three-world model says that there is >>no such logical hierarchy. Rather there are >>three irreducible foundations with an illogical >>nontransitivity. The brain is a subset of the >>physical world. The world of abstract >>mathematical forms is a subset of the brain's >>models. The physical world is a subset of the world of mathematical >> models. >> >><http://unlocktao.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/penrose-worlds2.png> >>[] >><http://unlocktao.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/penrose-worlds2.png> >>Logic cannot be the foundation of an illogical >>model. (Neither can classical logic be the foundation of Quantum >> mechanics.) >>Howard >> >> > >
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