Dear Jerry
It is the question about what experience is. It is qualitative different from
matter, information, logic, geometry and mathematics and we have no idea of how
to explain it from a materialistic ontology. We hope it is produced by the
brain, but we have no idea how. “The brain” is a physiological scientific
model we have created from what we know so far. We do not know much about what
its role is on creating experience, emotions and all kinds of through, except
that it is not possible to do it without. So I do not think that a geometrical
model will explain experience. Rather experience is the prerequisite for
producing geometrical explanations.
Best
Søren
From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com]
Sent: 12. september 2016 00:02
To: Søren Brier
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [Sadhu Sanga] RE: I hope this provokes helpful thought
Soren:
On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Søren Brier <sb....@cbs.dk<mailto:sb....@cbs.dk>>
wrote:
Dear Klee
You completely miss the nature of the experiential consciousness we need in
order to perceive information and geometry.
Best
Søren Brier
Can you extend your message? I do not understand either the logical or
scientific or metaphysical nature of its meaning.
Cheers
Jerry
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Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] I hope this provokes helpful thought
Guys (and gals), I hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILUlqd6O0MQ&feature=youtu.be
No need to worry about understanding the physics part of this presentation. The
salient point for our discussion forum is the notion of what information is. As
I’ve previously said, if we are to hypothesize that the Vedic and Aborigional,
etc. view that reality is made of thought or consciousness is true and is
related to the more materialist oriented view that reality is
“information-theoretic”, we can play with a thought:
If reality is made of consciousness, then apparently consciousness is behaving
mathematically – specifically according to some unknown geometric code, since
every possible measurement you can conceive of has a geometric component.
Accordingly, we may ask as scientists and philosophers, “Can we know that
geometric code (i.e., language) by which the universe expresses itself?”
As so many here have commented on during the last many months, there are
definitional discrepancies that sometimes make it appear that we are
disagreeing when, in fact, we have moved too fast without first synchronizing a
common set of definitions. For our group of mathematicians and physicists
working on this general problem, we deduce that consciousness deals in
information, i.e., awareness or thought. Even the choice of being aware of
“everything” or “nothingness” is itself an idea or thought or choice of what to
be aware of. In this way, we may be able to reconcile the terms “consciousness”
and “information”. One cannot have “information” without consciousness, choice
and observation (i.e., “measurement”). And so, one may discard the term
“information” temporarily for sake of clarity or finding connection between
English terms. That term may be replaced by “choice” or “choice of awareness”.
Now, in the universe of all thought or information, there is a special class of
symbolism or code with ultra-low subjectivity – geometric symbolism/language.
Such an abstract code made of thought can form thought itself, even notions of
emergent “universal consciousness”.
For those interested, this article published in JCR is
interesting:http://www.quantumgravityresearch.org/portfolio/hard-problem-of-consciousness/
Klee Irwin
www.QuantumGravityResearch.org<http://www.quantumgravityresearch.org/>
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