John S., Helmut, Edwina, List: JFS: Anything that can affect our sense organs is a mark. Those marks could be interpreted and classified as tokens of types.
Technically anything that can affect our sense organs is a *replica *of a Qualisign/Mark, the peculiar kind of Sinsign/Token that embodies it--right? JFS: The existence of a law (a triad) is always a hypothesis (abduction), which must be tested by predictions that are confirmed by further observations. I agree, except that I would substitute "reality" for "existence," since the law itself is 3ns while its instantiations are 2ns. HR: ... I would say, that the instantiation of a law is not it´s token, but the law itself at work ...So law is all type, there are no tokens of it in inanimate world of efficient causation. Given my agreement with John S. above, it seems to me that a type (3ns) can *only *be experienced through its tokens (2ns). We then use reason--retroduction, deduction, induction--to formulate, explicate, and evaluate the hypothesis that what we are observing is the manifestation of a real law. ET: A type is a general that governs existents; the token is the existent. Yes, the law as a *type *governs an inexhaustible continuum of *potential *cases; its instantiation as a *token *is any *actual *case that it governs. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > Helmut, list - isn't the instantiation of a natural law - a token of that > law, showing the law itself at work. I don't get your point. A type is a > general that governs existents; the token is the existent. So- I'm unsure > of your point. > > I don't see that there are 'no tokens' [existents] of a natural law in the > inanimate world. The inanimate world - by which I am assuming you mean the > physic-chemical world - does have laws! For example, the laws of forming a > hydrogen molecule...of which that individual molecule is a token of the > type/law. > > Edwina > -- > This message is virus free, protected by Primus - Canada's > largest alternative telecommunications provider. > > http://www.primus.ca > > On Sat 08/04/17 2:59 PM , "Helmut Raulien" h.raul...@gmx.de sent: > > John, List, > Speaking of inanimate reactions, and assumed, that there are natural laws > existing governing them, whether or not they have been thoroughly analyzed > by humans, I would say, that the instantiation of a law is not it´s token, > but the law itself at work. That is so, because in inanimate affairs there > are no closed systems, no piece of matter or energy, which is not > interacting with all other matter and energy in the universe. So there are > no signs either which are spatially separate by their nature. So law is all > type, there are no tokens of it in inanimate world of efficient causation. > Is my guess. > Best, > Helmut > 08. April 2017 um 20:34 Uhr > "John F Sowa" wrote: > Jon and Edwina, > > Jon > > I am still trying to figure out how to classify that real aspect/ > > regularity as a Sign itself, if in fact it is legitimate to treat > > reality as consisting entirely of Signs. > > Anything that can affect our sense organs is a mark. Those marks > could be interpreted and classified as tokens of types. > > Some of those tokens could be instances of individual qualities > or things that we could classify as redness or as a cat. Other > tokens could be instances of relational patterns, such as > "A cat on a red mat". > > All those tokens could be represented by existential graphs with just > monads or dyads. As Hume and others have said, it's not possible > to observe an implication. Post hoc does not imply propter hoc. > > The existence of a law (a triad) is always a hypothesis (abduction), > which must be tested by predictions that are confirmed by further > observations. > > Edwina > > the Dynamic Object of a law of nature [which is Thirdness] is also > > Thirdness. This enables individual organisms, when they interact > > with another external organism, to informationally connect with > > the external organism's LAWS - and thus, possibly, change their > > own [or both sets of] laws. > > I agree. But every kind of Thirdness must be learned by abduction. > Observation can only detect post hoc. Propter hoc is an abduction. > An infant observes patterns in the parents' babbling, imitates the > babbling, and discovers that certain patterns bring rewards. > > John > >
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