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 John, list, 

        I acknowledge your point, but even that rock's reaction involves
Thirdness; i.e., the material composition of the rock that defines
how it will react to an external force.

        I think my possibly irrelevant point was/is that Thirdness
necessarily involves the community - either past or present community
- but, something beyond the informational isolation of the individual.

        I agree with your comment that relativism "seems to be a more
intellectual process (reasoning) 
  than an immediate feeling or reaction. " What I'm trying to include
is its closure to information.

        Edwina
 On Sat 30/09/17 12:33 PM , John F Sowa [email protected] sent:
 On 9/30/2017 10:54 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: 
 > Firstness and Secondness [Feeling and Reaction] exist within  
 > the individual and, if the process of forming conclusions is  
 > confined to these two modes - it is indeed a relativist opinion. 
 >  
 > It is only within the action of Thirdness that the 'controlled
action'  
 > that is a reasoned process can develop. 
 In any perception, there is always an open-ended range of possible 
 interpretations.  And the interpretations (first, second, or third) 
 always depend on the experience and nature of the interpreter. 
 A cat, dog, or human, for example, may enjoy certain kinds of music.

 The most advanced kind of enjoyment, by a professional musician, 
 would depend on "controlled reasoning", but even the professionals 
 disagree -- and their reasons can span a wide range of options. 
 For Secondness, a rock will react to a sharp blow in a precisely 
 controlled manner.  But humans may react in complex ways that 
 depend on their background knowledge and reasoning. 
 Relativism seems to be a more intellectual process (reasoning) 
 than an immediate feeling or reaction. 
 John 
 PS (cat anecdote):  I heard a story about two cats that were 
 comfortably content while the radio played Bach and Mozart. 
 But when a dissonant 20th-c. composition came up, they left 
 the room.  Their human also switched the station.  Which ones 
 were feeling, reacting, or reasoning? 
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