Dear John F. Sowa: You write in your email of 30 Dec., at 11:45 am:
Ben > I have long been wondering why there is so little discussion > of relating Peirce's concepts and methodologies to concrete > examples, or other 20th and even 21st century thinkers. >> I strongly with that criticism. Regarding this, it seems something is missing--agree? disagree? Kindly advise: Ben Novak *Ben Novak* 5129 Taylor Drive, Ave Maria, FL 34142 Telephone: (814) 808-5702 *"All art is mortal, **not merely the individual artifacts, but the arts themselves.* *One day the last portrait of Rembrandt* *and the last bar of Mozart will have ceased to be—**though possibly a colored canvas and a sheet of notes may remain—**because the last eye and the last ear accessible to their message **will have gone." *Oswald Spengler On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:45 AM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> wrote: > Ben, Helmut, Peter, and Edwina, > > Ben > >> I have long been wondering why there is so little discussion >> of relating Peirce's concepts and methodologies to concrete >> examples, or other 20th and even 21st century thinkers. >> > > I strongly with that criticism. > > To understand Peirce's writings and their implications, five kinds > of studies are important: > > 1. Analyze the development of his thought by relating his many > publications and his many more unpublished manuscripts. > > 2. Relate his writings to his sources in various fields from the > ancient Greeks to the latest developments of his day. > > 3. Analyze the effects of his work on his contemporaries and > successors. > > 4. Analyze developments in the 20th and 21st centuries that could > have been improved if the developers had studied Peirce. > > 5. Compare Peirce's methods for analyzing the world and how we talk > and act in and about it to the methods used by other philosophers, > past and present. > > Ben > >> All [Peter] asked was the relevance of Peirce's semiotics to >> a presently existing symbolic representation. >> > > Helmut > >> whether the picture/diorama is insufficient of being analyzed with >> Peirce, or Peirce´s theory is insufficient, because it does not >> cover this example. >> > > Peter > >> I tend to agree with those who have opined that there is just not >> much to be said, from a Peircean point of view, about this analogy. >> > > I agree with Peter that a pre-theoretical literary analysis is > sufficient to determine the intentions of the people who designed > the scene and the implications they wanted to express. Peirce's > semiotic could carry the analysis to a deeper level. But that > would require a 20-pages of details, not a short email note. > > Edwina > >> I ... tend to run from many of the philosophical discussions that >> dominate this list. My focus is on biosemiotics and the societal >> system as a complex adaptive system - which does function within >> the Peircean triad. >> > > I agree that examples from biosemiotics, societal systems, > and complex adaptive systems would be far more useful than > the nativity scene for understanding all five issues above. > > Re philosophical discussions: My major interest in Peirce was > originally stimulated by and continues to be focused on points > 3 to 5 above, but I also found that 1 and 2 are important for > understanding 3 to 5. > > For some of those issues, see my article "Peirce's contributions > to the 21st century": http://jfsowa.com/pubs/csp21st.pdf > > Re logic: Before I discovered Peirce, I had learned 20th c > logic from the so-called "mainstream" of a Frege-Russell-Carnap- > Quine-Kripke-Montague perspective. > > What led me to Peirce were the criticisms of that mainstream > by Whitehead, Wittgenstein, and linguists who recognized that > there is more to language than Montagovian "formal semantics". > I discuss that in http://jfsowa.com/pubs/signproc.pdf > > John > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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