Gary R., List: Of course the Sign *can *be within the bird; what I said was that I think it does not necessarily *have to* be be within the bird.
I have tried to avoid human semiosis in this conversation, because I suspect that Edwina and I will have many more disagreements once we go in that direction. In a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign, the Sign itself is an Existent (individual), not a Necessitant (general); so I do not understand what point you are making about this. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jon, Edwina, list, > > Jon wrote: > > I still think that the IO-R-II triad is within the *Sign*, not > necessarily within the bird (Receiver), but we can set that disagreement > aside for now. More to the point--in your view, does semiosis *only *take > place within the bird? Is there no *other *semiosis going on, in which > the loud sound plays the role of the Representamen? > me. > > > Cannot the Sign be "within the bird," Jon? It seems to me that there is > perhaps a "sign of a sign" situation going on here. The IO-R-II is within > the sign which is within the bird (or the person). I think I might agree > with Edwina (if I understand this correctly), that the Sign of central > importance to our analysis, even if it doesn't "*only* take place within > the bird," indeed *does* takes place within the bird and the sign (of > which it is, perhaps, a "sign of a sign"--but that's another analysis). > (Btw, I think that perhaps it's better for the purposes of this analysis to > consider human semiosis as I think this might help simplify and clarify the > analysis because we can't really know the mind of a bird although we can > take a stab at the mind of a man/woman). > > Jon wrote: > > How can the Representamen be classified as *general *(Legisign or Type) > in a scenario where an *individual *sound leads an *individual *bird to > the *individual *action of flight? I thought you were saying in your > previous post that it is a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign, which makes much > more sense to me. > > > But aren't we *also* concerned, Jon, with individual semiosis? "A *rhematic > indexical sinsign* (such as a cry in the street) is a sign that directs > attention to the object by which it is caused." CSP > > Wouldn't this 'work' for *any* bird say in a flock of birds? > > OK, hazy thinking for now. But circling around this seems to be of > potential value imo, at least for me. > > Best, > > Gary R > > [image: Gary Richmond] > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > *718 482-5690 <(718)%20482-5690>* > >>
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