BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Stephen - I can't answer all your questions, but, to my understanding, the fact of Firstness - which introduces deviations from the norm, is a key 'cause' of the dissipation of a habit. To me - that is entropy.
I have no knowledge of Wittgenstein. Edwina On Tue 13/02/18 9:17 AM , "Stephen C. Rose" stever...@gmail.com sent: Edwina why is Firstness akin to entropy? Isn't Firstness the location of what we might term ontology -- things we make into words that are indeed Wittgenstein's unspeakables. Did Peirce believe that entropy trumped what I would call syntropy? If so did he then believe that logic was entropic? amazon.com/author/stephenrose [1] On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary R, Jon, list: 1. I don't think that there is an 'end to semiosis', because Firstness, which is akin to entropy, is as basic to semiosis as Thirdness/habits. Even a rock will dissipate. Also, I don't think that Mind is ever separate from Matter and vice versa. 2. I consider, as I outlined previously, that the situation with the mother, child, hot stove, burn etc is not one Sign but a plethora of Signs. I don't think that a regression analysis is correct here. Each Sign is triggered from another Sign but I don't think you can regress to the One Sign. So, I continue to maintain that for the Mother, the Sign that she reacts to is the cry of the child [a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign]. The hot stove is almost irrelevant to her. 3. I remain concerned about the role of 'quasi-mind'. 4. Peirce has multiple and contradictory uses of the term 'Form' and I certainly don't see it as akin to the formlessness of Firstness. Firstness is a State and has no structure. Edwina Links: ------ [1] http://amazon.com/author/stephenrose [2] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'tabor...@primus.ca\',\'\',\'\',\'\')
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