John S., Edwina, List: The constituents of Peirce's third Universe--including not only Laws, but also Signs, Habits, and continua (EP 2:435&479; 1908)--certainly do not *exist *outside the second Universe of actuality; *nothing *does, since existence and actuality are coextensive. However, they are *Real* "outside the universe of actuality" in the sense that they *govern* Existents or *mediate* between them. They are "would-bes," so it is misleading to say that "they are embedded within actuality," because "no agglomeration of actual happenings can ever completely fill up the meaning of a 'would-be'" (CP 5.467; 1907).
Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > John, list > > Agreed, the entities of pure mathematics do not exist in the universe of > actuality. > > Now, with regard to the universe of necessity, i.e., Laws/Thirdness - > which you say are outside of the universe of actuality - I'll quibble with > the wording. > > The laws, per se, do not 'exist' on their own because they are > laws/generals. They are only operable when they function as the > habits/organization of actuality. > > So- they can certainly never be 'outside the universe of actually' [i.e., > as Platonic Forms]; they are embedded within actuality [Aristotle]. > > Edwina > > On Wed 22/08/18 2:22 PM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: > > On 8/22/2018 2:11 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > "I defined actuality as anything that ever was, is, or will be > > anywhere in the universe. Most of us know more about the past > > and present than we do about the future, but our knowledge is > > irrelevant to its existence. " > > > > What's the difference, then, between your definition of actuality and > > the definition of possibility? > > I was using Peirce's three disjoint universes. The entities > of pure mathematics do not exist in the universe of actuality. > > The entities in the universe of necessity, such as laws, > are also outside the universe of actuality. > > John > >
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