By the way, predicates in natural languages can vary for cultural reasons. For example, "to give" in most languages is triadic, but it is dyadic in Amele of New Guinea (as I discuss in Language: The Cultural Tool).
Dan > On Apr 19, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Edwina, List: > > Giving and representing/mediating are both triadic relations, but they are > not the same triadic relation; in fact, they are not even isomorphic triadic > relations. I suppose that instead we can compare giving to determining, > which better reflects "the flow of causation" in semeiosis--Sue stands in the > relation of giving, of a book, to a child; the Object stands in the relation > of determining, of a Sign, to an Interpretant. > > <image.png> > > This treats determining as triadic, rather than dyadic, consistent with > Peirce's definition that a Sign "is both determined by the object relatively > to the interpretant, and determines the interpretant in reference to the > object, in such wise as to cause the interpretant to be determined by the > object through the mediation of this 'sign'" (EP 2:410; 1907). Notice, > though, that the book corresponds to the Sign, rather than to either the > Object or the Interpretant--which makes sense, since a book is a medium for > the communication of a text from one person to another, and a Sign is a > medium for the communication of a Form from an Object to an Interpretant. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 AM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca > <mailto:tabor...@primus.ca>> wrote: > John, list > > What if one were to diagram your suggestion of: Sue gives child a book - into > > DO=book....which is then transformed from its identity and domain [a > bookstore], by the semiosic action of the triadic Sign, as held by the > Representamen-and-its action, which is: Sue-Who-Gives into > > DI= book, which is now in a different domain and identity: that of the Child > [who is also a semiosic triad which includes a Representamen]. > > Edwina > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu > with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at > http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . > > > >
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