Herend - I don't see how you can have a spatial composition; i.e.,
in a mode of 2ns, without also a functional composition, i.e., in a
mode of 3ns.
Edwina
On Wed 29/05/19 10:04 AM , "Helmut Raulien" [email protected] sent:
Edwina, list, at this point again, I propose to differentiate
between spatial and functional composition. In spatial composition
this infinite circle or regress or what do you call it does not
happen due to limited possibility of exactness. In functional
composition there are such regresses and re-entries, but they are
allowed. Helmut 28. Mai 2019 um 22:33 Uhr
"Edwina Taborsky"
Jerry
????
Exactly. Facts are facts - and the facts of scientific realism
acknowledges that atoms and molecules don't 'exist' randomly all on
their own, even in their microscopic existences, but exist as such
and function as such - within synchronic, repeatable, patterns of
organization that set up complex networks of interaction... Some of
us refer to this method of 'organization' as semeiosis - and examine
how the whole systems operates in an adaptive, evolving and complex
manner. Not that hard to understand!
Edwina
On Tue 28/05/19 2:54 PM , Jerry LR Chandler
[email protected] sent: Edwina: ???? Facts are facts.
Scientific realism is what it is. Cheers Jerry On May 28,
2019, at 1:46 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Jerry, list
The statement is true, if one considers that the map is not just a
collection of atoms, not just a collection of chemical molecules -
despite your predilection for so defining the world - but is instead
a semiosic entity, composed of a triadic set of
correlations/relations which relate and provide meaning to the
physical components; i.e., semiosically define these 'moles' as 'a
map.
Edwina
On Tue 28/05/19 1:59 PM , Jerry LR Chandler
[email protected] sent: Jon, List: A bit of nit-picking
below, particularly in light of the organic chemistry /bedrock claim.
On May 27, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Suppose,
then, that an absolutely correct and infinitely detailed map of
Governor's Island in New York Harbour be laid down on the ground
there. Then since the map represents the topography and all the
features at the time the map is lying there, the map must show the
map itself lying there; and must so show that map that, in the map of
the map, may be seen the map lying upon it, and on that map of the map
of the map may again be seen the map, with a sufficient microscope and
so on, ad infinitum , that is, down to a mathematical point which
will be nothing but the map of itself and the same will be true with
every map of its own environment, unless it be ring-shaped; and it is
much the same with any book whose last word is Finis. The phrase
"with a sufficient microscope and so on, ad infinitum, that is, down
to a mathematical point " is false if one considers that the map is a
physical object, composed from atoms of finite scale. The individual
molecules of the physical map are finite in scale and thus the
extension can be extended below the atomic scale. In this instance,
it appears that CSP failed to consider the meaning of Avogadro’s
number. Cheers Jerry
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