Edwina, List:

ET: Does phaneroscopy as, Belluci states, "have its own method and its own
procedures" [p 5] ?


Atkins evidently thinks so.

RKA: I have also argued that we need a broader, three-tiered conception of
phaneroscopy’s method. On the first tier of this conception is simply the
direct inspection of the phaneron. On the second tier is the description of
the phaneron. On the third tier is the analysis of the phaneron and the
assessment of this analysis as accurate and adequate. (Part Two, p. 112)


I suggest that the first two "tiers," inspection and description, are
unique to phaneroscopy. As Atkins also writes, "phaneroscopy is
distinguished from mathematics in that it observes the actual phaneron and
not merely hypothetical states of things" (p. 113 n. 4). Mathematics is
then *applied *in the third "tier," analysis and assessment. "Since
mathematics precedes phaneroscopy in Peirce’s classification of the
sciences, there is no problem in borrowing from mathematics to conduct
phaneroscopic analysis" (p. 103).

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 8:33 AM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote:

> List
>
> I don't find that Marty's critique of Belluci was 'adversarial'. It filled
> in the missing critique of De Tienne, which was not critiqued by this List.
>
> Does phaneroscopy as, Belluci states, "have its own method and its own
> procedures" [p 5] ?
>
> Certainly, I didn't see these in De Tienne's outline, where phaneroscopy
> seemed, to me, to be a kind of emotional campfire explosion of open
> experience. What method? What procedure?
>
> Does mathematics operate in this 'experience'? Or is it entirely separate
> and 'left behind', as De Tienne seemed to suggest?
>
> And if it 'depends of mathematics for principles' [JAS], then how does
> this dependence actually function?
>
> Houser's quotation, again,  is"These categories, though abstractable
> [prescindable] from experience are methamatical conceptions. ….
>
> and phenomenology lies at 'the juncture' between the apriori concepts of
> mathematics and the contingent world of experience'.
>
> Therefore, it seems to me, that De Tienne's outline rests within Belluci's
> outline, for both of them seem to view the Peircean sciences as steps,
> where you simply leave the former one behind as you climb the ladder.
>
> Edwina
>
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