Edwina,
yes, I agree completely
and I would have liked to receive that same attention from you a few
years ago ...
That was not a constructive use of Peircean behavior...
Best
CL
Edwina Taborsky escribió el 18/10/2021 a las 12:31:
Claudio - I am equal to anyone else, and therefore, am as 'equipped'
[whatever does that mean?] to handle further exploration of Peirce's
work in the 21st century. What I expect from the List is that when I
post something that does such exploration, I would be met with: 'Yes,
that's an interesting use of the Categories to examine …" or, 'that's
an interesting use but I don't think it works and here's why I think
so"...
But instead - I'm met with no comment on the actual attempt of modern
analysis..but such comments as 'Peirce never used those words'.
Or..'Peirce never compared his X...to Y.
That's not a constructive use of Peirce.
Edwina
On Mon 18/10/21 9:52 AM , Claudio Guerri [email protected] sent:
List,
Of course, we are post-Peirceans! How could we be pre-Peirceans or
even just Peirceans...!!!
this pretentious behavior, the gratuitous aggression and the
silence of others is the reason way I left writing to the List
some years ago
"Some 'literalists' think we should leave the forest as it
is.Every time they get in the way, which keeps happening, there's
a big problem." (RM; emphasis mine)
And ET insists in this direction by pretentiously stating "I'm
beginning to think that the Peirce-List is not equipped to handle
the exploration of Peirce and his analytic framework in the 21st
century", apparently she is...???
Peirce himself was aware of the limits of his possibilities, like
quoted by JS with CP 5.488 and CP 2.1.
But apparently there are still some that want us to stick to the
misconception that "the weather-wain is an index"... instead of a
complex sign.
Already after more than 150 years of the first writings by Peirce
we are not able to move on... like it happens with the Bible... or
with The Capital... and here we are!
Hope that a creation of a new List will overcome this retrograde
positions that don't help anyone... not even the sacred memory of
Peirce himself.
All the best
Claudio
sowa @bestweb.net escribió el 15/10/2021 a las 19:02:
List,
On Thursday, I sent the note below to Peirce-L. I received some
strong positive comments and suggestions offline, but complete
silence from the people who send most of the notes to
Peirce-L. For example: "As for the natural extensions of
Peirce's thought, even when they agree closely with his
principles, they are rejected [on Peirce-L] as post-Peircean"
I interpret those responses as evidence that we need n email list
that is dedicated to the kinds of topics that dominated the
Peirce Centennial Congress in 2014. That was a very exciting
conference on research that builds on Peirce's work and relates
it to developments in the century after Peirce. As Peirce
frequently emphasized, the meaning of any sign is its
implications for action in the future. We live in Peirce's
future, and our actions today depend critically on the
developments in the century after Peirce.
I don't believe that we should reject Peirce-l, but we should
have another email list that relates Peirce's ideas to the issues
of today. I would encourage subscribers to Peirce-L to
participate in both lists. I'll send another note tomorrow..
John
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From: "sowa @bestweb.net"
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:39 PM
To: "Peirce-L"
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's contributions to the 21st century
Robert, Edwina, List,
The passages Robert quoted show that Peirce admitted that his system
was a work in progress. We could add his remark that
phaneroscopy was
still a "science egg".
CSP: I am, as far as I know, a pioneer, or rather a backwoodsman, in
the work of clearing and opening up what I call semiotic, that
is, the
doctrine of the essential nature and fundamental varieties of
possible
semiosis; and I find the field too vast, the labor too great, for a
first-comer. I am, accordingly, obliged to confine myself to the
most
important questions. (CP 5.488)
CSP: All that you can find in print of my work on logic are simply
scattered outcroppings here and there of a rich vein which remains
unpublished. Most of it I suppose has been written down; but no
human
being could ever put together the fragments. I could not myself do
so. (CP 2.1)
RM: we must make, collectively and in the long run, a rational
representative construction of Peirce's work that is communicable
with
a minimum of effort. To reach this goal, we must not fall into a
dialogue of the deaf. We are also backwoodsmen in the traces left by
Peirce; faithful to his spirit there are several of us on this list
who follow and develop some of these traces. We find them
particularly relevant because we have new tools. Some literalists
think we should leave the forest as it is. Every time they get in the
way, which keeps happening, there's a big problem.
ET: Thank you Robert, for this analysis. But I'm beginning to think
that the Peirce-List is not equipped to handle the exploration of
Peirce and his analytic framework in the 21st century. After all -
some of us have been trying for years to introduce current scientific
and other research areas [linguistic, AI, societal, economic] and
explore how the Peircean framework, in different terms, is being used
to examine these fields. We've been met with a refusal to engage in
any discussion and/or, an open almost horror of such an approach.
That is an issue that should be considered.
John
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