---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to Bible: (before was Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) To: [email protected]
bagaimana dengan orang yang bertanya, mengapa ketika seorang akan dibaptis menjadi Advent dia diharuskan untuk mempercayai EGW-dan tulisan2nya? (pendeta akan menanyakannya di depan jemaat). bukankah dengan demikian secara tidak langsung EGW (dan tulisan2nya) "seperti" menjadi keharusan agar bisa diterima menjadi seorang Advent? didalam doktrin gereja Advent ada poin ini, (di copy paste dari www.adventist.org) *18. The Gift of Prophecy*: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . *As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction.* They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) Mohon dijelaskan poin2 yang di highlighted diatas. - her writings are a continuing - authoritative source of truth??? - which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction Berikut petikan dari situs www.exadventist.com The "landmarks" or "pillars" of Adventism have their roots in Ellen White. As these were being developed, Mrs. White had an unquestionably authoritative role in deciding what would be defined as truth and error. Mrs. White describes how Adventist doctrine was established: At that time [after the 1844 disappointment] one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scripture with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds . . . . *The power of God* *would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error. * *As the points of our faith were thus established*,our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit.* I would be taken* *off in vision, and explanations would be given me.* I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays. Selected Messages, Bk. 3, pp. 31-32. selanjutnya, *She broke the Sabbath for eleven years* Though Mrs. White had many visions about the Sabbath, for eleven years she kept it from 6 P.M. Friday to 6 P.M. Saturday, instead of from sunset to sunset, as the Bible teaches in Leviticus 23:32. It was not until two days after J. N. Andrews presented a paper presenting the biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time that she had a vision to correct this sacrilege. See Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 713 lagi, While it has been proven that Mrs. White was actively involved in plagiarism—taking the words of other authors and using them as her own, without giving credit—she denied this: Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet *the words I employ in describing what I have seen* *are my own*, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which *I always enclose in marks of quotation*. Selected Messages, Bk. 1, p. 37 Mohon pencerahannya, 2008/7/24 Darmawan Triosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: kalau saya sih tidak mengatakan bible tidak sempurna. sebab buku buku > bible EGW juga semua mengutip bible dan tidak ada yang menyimpang dari > bible..... tapi setiap pemvaca bible perlu tuntunan Roh Kudus agar dapat > mengerti kehendak Tuhan, Ellen G white adalah orang yg ditunjuk oleh Tuhan > untuk memberikan lebih lanjut tentang kebenaran Alkitab.Ketika Dia (EGW) > menerima Hayal dari Tuhan. > Seandainya alkitab bisa dipahami oleh setiap manusia, tentunya Tuhan tdk > akan mengirim EGW untuk menerima hayal. > Begitu Juga dengan Daniel ketika Dia diberi penglihatan tentang nubuatan > 2300 (dan 8:14)petang dan pagi...dia tidak mengerti,untuk itulah daniel > berdoa minta penjelasan kepada Gabriel.....sampai disitu pun tidak satu > orangpun mengerti tentang itung itungan angka nya jatuh pada oktober 1844 > sebagai penghakiman dimulai dan pembersihan bait suci selain daripada > William Muller. Dan saya yakin wiliiam Muller juga dituntun ROH kudus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:30 PM > *Subject:* [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to Bible: (before was > Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) > > maaf, jadi agak menyimpang dari topiknya nih. (aku buka topik baru aja > deh klo gitu) > > ada teman yang kebetulan baca diskusi ini juga tiba2 nyeletuk, "Klo gitu > perkataan bahwa dalam kita harus back to bible diganti dengan back to EGW > writings dong?" > > apakah benar Bible itu tidak sempurna sehingga harus dikeluarkan > 'penjelasan' yang lain? > menurut pemahaman sahabat2 dari kaum muslim, kitab suci mereka (Al-Quran) > merupakan pelengkap/penyempurna dari Bible. Kitab terakhir yang diturunkan > menyempurnakan kitab sebelumnya. > > rgrds, > jamz > > > > 2008/7/23 Darmawan Triosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> coba deh anda lakukan survei... 7 orang kafir suruh baca alkitab...dan >> buat kesimpulan masing masing. dan liat hasilnya....bisa bisa 7 orang >> tersebut membuat kesimpulan sendiri sendiri gak ada yang sama........ itu >> berarti kalo manusia baca alkitab perlu tuntunan roh Kudus...... buku buku >> Ellen G white disebuat buku Roh Nubuat.... Karena buku buku itu adalah >> terang yang kecil yang menuntun kepada Terang yang besar(alkitab) >> Coba kita bayangkan,.....kalau seandainya....... tidak ada buku >> E.GW..dari mana orang advent bisa tahu hari sabat itu suc,hari perhentian, >> hari yang diberkati ???, baca alkitab doang ??? Jutaan orang >> kristen(diluar advent) baca alkitab ..apakah mereka tahu dan yakin bahwa >> sabat itu suci????? tak satupun orang yang baca alkitab tanpa tuntunan Roh >> kudus dapat mengerti... >> > > >
