Many of Louis Proyect's recent contributions have been exceedingly encouraging and helpful to me, and I go o armed with many a quote and reference from him to a a conference on "Building a Secure and Sustainable World" in Helsinki in 2 days. On one point I would like too up-date him, and I think quite a few others on pen-l. Part of a sentence of his reads "when people have jobs, homes, savings, etc. as they in Western Europe". This image of Western Europe just doesn't hold anymore, nor does the notion that over-population is not something of concern to people here. Germany has approx. 1 million homeless and between 3.5 and 4 million unemployed. Things are certainly not better in most other Western European countries. The subject of over-population is the focus of many talk shows are well as serious articles. And while Germany's famous "social net" is probably still one of the best, it is being trimmed fast and furiously. It is amazing to me how many benefits that were long taken for granted here, have disappeared during the 7 years I've been here. While I won't speak for Liechtenstein and Monaco, even Switzerland has been cutting back at an increased pace during the last couple of years. There are even a number of people you declare in public, and without shame, that the various wars, as well as aids, are probably good or at least necessary: "After all we've got to deal with over-population some how". (On the ote other hand, they would like to bomb at least the war in Bosnia off the evening news). Marianne Brun ([EMAIL PROTECTED])