On Thu, 14 Dec 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Andrew Kliman here, responding to Jim Jaszewski's ad hominem response to my
> post re why I left the Marxism list.
If that's your idea of what ad hominem is, then no wonder people
like you have difficulty reaching agreement with people like me...
> But the rest exhibits a persistent tendency of some on the Marxism list--the
> tendency to divert the discussion. Jim thinks that's okay, but instead of
> reproducing my comments in context, he snips bits and pieces in order to
> make it sound like (a) I only care about my own needs, (b) I somehow
> implied that the list could not go on without me, and (c) I was comparing
> my talents and achievements to Marx's.
Ya. Sure. I took you out of context -- more likely I brought to
the fore your unconscious motivations.
> This is bullshit. My whole post, and the post as a whole, was meant to
> criticize the charges that people who've left the Marxism list have done
> so (implicitly: that ALL have done so) because they are ivory-tower
> academics who don't care about real issues of concern to real people, and
> especially that one is not "much of a Marxist" if s/he leaves the list
> because of its "grittiness and informality." My point about Marx is that
> his work required serious thought, patience, concentration, and discipline,
> not the continual "gritty" and "informal" diversions that characterize the
> Marxism list. By these criteria, Marx was not much of a Marxist, because
> he sat in the library instead of being active in the mid-1880s equivalent
> of the Marxism list--spending all day and night at the pub with the blokes
> in a freewheeling inebriated banter.
You really don't get it, do you??
The Marxism List is about REAL LIFE. Scholarship is a big part of
it, but not *ALL* of it. If that peeves some academics, then so be it...
> And I've got no doubt that there exist enough types like this that the Marxism
> list will continue and thrive. For those who have the time to wade through
> all the nonsense, and let their discussions get sidetracked by others so
> that development of ideas is made all the harder, I'm sure there will
> continue to be gems in the Marxism list among all the junk, and I'm glad that
> the list exists for them. As for the others on the list, let the dead
> bury the dead.
Again: you are just another one who cannot see that they are
really complaining about List *VOLUME*...
Do some self-criticism, bub.
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