I wrote, >> On the other hand, CAW workers got health and some other benefits for >> same-sex partners. And Rudy replied, >Although I haven't seen the details of the CAW agreement I would tend to >agree with your first assessment. Giving health and other benefits for same >sex partners is probably not that costly for GM because 1) all Canadians are >covered by Medicare and 2) there probably are not that many people who >will use >the benefits. Absolutely. I didn't mention this as a counter to my argument but simply as an aside. I think it's significant and positive on the cultural front but irrelevant to the question I posed about concessions, rhetoric and saving face. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]