Rosser Jr, John Barkley referred to non-market socialism as utopian. We have never had a satisfactory socialist society. The same can be said for market socialism and even capitalism. Whenever a society begins to try socialism, the capitalist powers do everything they can to undermine it. In Nicaragua, the U.S. goals included the creation of the need for repression. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 916-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]