>> And what's your time horizon for >>"new-fangled"? Since the death of Christ? > >Mid 19th century for capitalist work discipline (see E.P. Thompson, "Time, >Work-Discipline and Industrial Capitalism"). 1920s for consumer orientation >(See Benjamin Hunnicutt, _Work without End_). But I guess from the >perspective of a timeless present, a hundred years or two might as well be >eternity. Even "since the death of Christ" is only 2000 years -- of 2 million years of human beings. This is one-tenth of one percent of history, Max. Hell, *agriculture* is "new-fangled!" ********************************************************************* Blair Sandler "If I had to choose a reductionist paradigm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Classical Marxism is a damned good one." *********************************************************************