Louis P., you can go wherever you want to (and you
know I'm fully prepared to debate you in other fora
anyway), but I am not expecting coops to "sweep east" or
whatever. The issue is what kind of vision is held out for
a broader movement that seeks to transform the entire
country, and more broadly the world. At some level, things
have to build up from somewhere on some basis. The idea of
a simultaneous global revolution strikes me as being the
most utopian idea of all.
Barkley Rosser
On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) Louis Proyect
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Barkley:
>
> > Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the
> >Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would
> >have the best chance and greatest appeal in the US, for all
> >its flaws. The fact that we do have a movement, however
> >half-baked, toward workers' ownership and at least some
> >vague kinds of workers' control (see UAL, the plywood
> >coops, etc.) points in this direction.
> >
>
> Louis: Just as I expected, the discussion has reverted to exactly where it
> has been for the last 3 years: comparing the merits of utopian schemas.
> Barkely's heart belongs to Slovenia, while Robin Hahnel will try to figure
> out a way to defend his own nostrums.
>
> I have no interest in this sort of discussion, so I am about to descend back
> into the lower depths of the Spoons list where we get ourselves muddy
> fighting over such mudane matters as the relationship of class and
> nationality (or class and gender) when dealing with black nationalism or
> feminism.
>
> I will go to bed each night with a little prayer on my lips that the plywood
> coops will sweep eastward and transform property relations down at
> Goldman-Sachs, my old employer. There's a bunch of people there I'd like to
> see get their comeuppance.
>
>
--
Rosser Jr, John Barkley
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