Before we put the reqium for social democracy to bed, I would like to mention that I have known a couple of good, liberal fighters. I used to watch Paul Taylor at Berkeley, 80+ years old with Parkinsons, come in at 8:00 in the morning, tape up his eyelids so he could work, and work he did -- for eight hours a day, organizing against the California water barons. Some of you might know of his wife, Dorothea Lange and their careers together. Paul was willing to keep up the same fights for over 55 years non-stop. If more social democrats had his tenacity and integrity, we would not be questioning whether social democracy could do any good -- within some limits. On the other hand, I recall Marx's attitude toward strikes. He thought that they were directed against local injustice, but that their failures would show the workers that they had to take on the system. But then if there were many principled social democrats, far fewer strikes would be lost. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 916-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]