I must have missed something. Who spat on Foucault, called him rubbish? Tavis, your post was excellent; ACT-UP is an admirable organization. I had a long chat with one of their drug experts a few years ago - though no MD, he really got to know his stuff. Stanley Aronowitz should be so knowledgeable. But organizations on the ACT-UP model - like WAC and WHAM! in NYC - have had a hard time sustaining themselves. Is that a limit of nonhierarchical anti-instutionalizing micropolitics? AIDS is still with us, but ACT-UP barely is. >It is possible that the right stew of Marx, Gramsci and Chomsky could >come up with a basis of understanding discourse that is firmly grounded >in materialism. But it hasn't happened yet, at least not in a way that >incorporates the many innovative ideas about seizing language that Foucault >held. Boy, that's true, Tavis. I read about 300 pages of Meszaros on a Bonanza Bus to and back from Great Barrington. At one point he says the pomos just aren't worth talking about. He talks about the impossibility of total surveillance without mentioning Foucault. This seems a limit of having no micropolitics at all. Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice +1-212-874-3137 fax email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> web: <http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/LBO_home.html>