>> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [PEN-L:8639] Re: market socialism, planned socialism > >> >> And what's your time horizon for >> >>"new-fangled"? Since the death of Christ? >. . . > >> Even "since the death of Christ" is only 2000 years -- of 2 million years >> of human beings. This is one-tenth of one percent of history, Max. Hell, >> *agriculture* is "new-fangled!" >> >> Blair Sandler > >The burden of this statement is to show that the >first, oh, 1.5 million "years of human beings" >informs some kind of alternative paradigm for the >organization of society. I don't envy you the >task, but I can suggest at least one clue: follow >the bananas. > >Regards, > >J. Fred Max Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't follow, "follow the bananas" or "J. Fred Max." I'd appreciate some enlightenment on these burning questions. Actually, Max, I think it does. Prior to agriculture, people hardly worked at all, and didn't have a sense of "work" as separate from leisure (as far as we know). The economy as a separate sphere of the world, in particular, is an invention of capitalism. And please don't make me out to be stupid (ignorant, okay, but not stupid): I'm *not* suggesting we should kill 5 billion or so people, destroy all the machinery, factories, and buildings, give up agriculture, and practice hunting and gathering. Blair ********************************************************************* Blair Sandler "If I had to choose a reductionist paradigm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Classical Marxism is a damned good one." *********************************************************************