This may seem a cliche, but I'd say it is more complex than "yea, yea, or nay, nay", ( 
I really hate to say this one) "good and bad", "success and failure". 

It had some good and some bad ( and ugly), some success and some failure ( and freedom 
even). 

For us, the importance of the SU is to learn the positive and negative lessons, for 
when we do it. No, it is not only a source of negative lessons. Wrong. The "all bad" 
version throws out the baby with the bath water.

Ok , Max , two points for you for getting me to use all these cliches.

But the point here is also, the harm to the reputation of socialism. On that, it is 
important first, to debunk the exaggeration of its failures, raise its coveredup 
successes, and broadcast the positive as well as negative critique, as in any 
scientific, objective process.


CB

>>> "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/19/00 02:15PM >>>
Perhaps but that could cut two ways,
as in socialism yes, good no.  No
reason to assume every form of socialism
would be desirable.

mbs

> I bet if we took a count more people would consider the USSR
> socialism (communism even) than not.
>
> CB
>
> >>> Rod Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/18/00 09:15PM >>>
> Interesting musings Carrol, but words have meanings, and what
> most people mean by
> the word socialism is not what was seen in the USSR. You can call
> it what you want,
> but I don't call it socialism.
>
> 

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