Doug Henwood wrote > A question, though: aren't second-tier OECD countries like Australia and > New Zealand as rich as they are because of their participation in an > imperial system, of which "globalization" is one manifestation or > interpretation? Well, I can't answer for them all but ... The New Zealand colony was at one time described as "a glorious country for a working man" ("working" and "man" no slip of the pen I'd imagine). In other words it was orginally accepted by the British as a settler colony and only later with refrigeration did it become a source of cheap food. The function of the settler colony was to attract the poor and huddled masses - hence it had to pay them enough to attract them away from Britain. Much of this was actually paid for out of the proceeds of the colony itself - robbing land from the (indigenous) Maori, and developing it. But yes, New Zealand did become rich due to the fact that Britain wanted it to be rich. Which doesn't mean Britain didn't happily rip us off when it suited. However we are well past that stage now as I think my earlier statistics indicate. We may be again (arguably, still) a (neo)colony but we are benefitting from imperialism only to the extent that (a) we have most of the trappings of a developed country and can therefore compete internationally on some high-added-value goods and on agricultural and forest products on the basis of high efficiency and thus appropriate a share of the imperial income. Arguably parts of the economy benefit from the imperial (i.e. WTO) trade rules, etc.; and (b) there are perhaps a few trade advantages we have with Europe that descend from colonial preferences; and (c) New Zealand is a minor imperial power in the South Pacific. That we aren't much liked for that in the Pacific is I think true, but to ascribe a significant part of our wealth to it is not. New Zealand companies also have $20-$30 billion invested abroad - much less than inward investment; and As to (a), our per capital income and competitiveness is now lower than for example Singapore which began life as a colony of the exploited sort (though perhaps not a typical one). (I would also guess that Singaporean investors own significantly more of New Zealand than New Zealand investors do of Singapore.) An argument that we are benefitting from imperialism on these grounds thus gets into murky waters. Our local rulers do think they get a net benefit from the WTO, but I would contest that - and certainly as far as benefit to working class people goes - as in my previous posting. Therein lies the crunch. (b) is a pretty small part of New Zealand's exports now and is gradually being absorbed into the systems set up by the WTO agreements. So I don't think your suggestion still holds for New Zealand, other than that trading is participating in the imperial system. For other countries, such as Canada, perhaps their net international investments give a different answer. Does the UK still have a large surplus on invisibles? I think so. > Can't people be accused of happily playing the imperial game when > it makes them richer, and complaining when that same system > threatens that privilege? Yes naturally, though as always, you do have to distinguish which "people" you mean. If the "people" are the capitalists who benefit directly, the answer is a pretty unequivocal yes, given the demise of national capitalism. If the "people" are the working class (et al) then there is always a struggle to obtain their share of these benefits, so "happily" might not be quite the word. It would take a stupendous and probably pointless feat of international solidarity to turn away (or rather decline to struggle for) the fruits of the imperial game. > Actually, you could say the same about the U.S., couldn't you? Yes, even more so, since the proceeds of imperialism are direct. But the same provisos about who you are talking about are important. It seems to me that part of the "globalisation" debate vis a vis the U.S. is that its companies used to "bring home the bacon" but are now are leaving home and treating home just like the colonies. Bill