Whose Politics Gerry? That was sarcasm. Specifically it was a shot at what I view, as a long time pen-ler who tends not to intervene very much (which by the way is true of most of the women on the list -- god bless you Maggie for your stamina) as the style of argument which I have observed on the list. Ok, in future I will remember I am playing with left, sensitive lads, who are stung by mild attempts at humorous rebuke. Elaine Bernard