But Tom, what you quote Alexa as saying is good social democratic stuff -- make the capitalist system work properly through redistribution, sound fiscal and monetary policy, and the provision of a secure social wage. You are criticizing her for not being a socialist. But the CCF abandoned any pretence of socialism with the Winnipeg declaration in 1956. This has been my point all along, you can criticize social democracy if you want on grounds that it won't deal with the problems of capitalism, but don't criticize a social democrat for being a social democrat and dealing with the problems as she sees fit. She has addressed the problems in the campaign (including the MAI), but you don't like her solutions. Within the context of what I think is possible in the present climate, I think the alterntive budget etc. are feasible, credible and would ease a lot of social pain. But a lot more will be needed in the long run to move to a socialist society of course. What I asked of you was what would you campaign credibly on that you think wouldbring about a socialist society? Paul Phillips, Economics, Manitoba