Dear Pen-lers

This is my last post. I tried to send this directly to Ms Quan and 
Harry Cleaver but my mail was returned. I'll use this medium for the 
last time on this issue. Notice, I sent a response and got something 
immediately back. Why? What do my views matter? This cover I could be 
working with prostitutes and doing damage has attracted their 
attention--really. There are all kinds of market-niches and interest 
groups pretending to have contituencies and mandates far beyond their 
numbers.

Anyway, I have tried to answer with counter-reasoning and counter-
evidence. These frequent missives do nothing for anybody really. But 
in any case, I don't know why I would be of consequence to these 
forces and their patron guru and superstar Cleaver; they certainly 
are of no consequence to me--perhaps that along with the congnitive 
dissonance is what is bothering them.

Please. Attack me all you want, just don't send me more of your stuff 
personaly as these folks are just not worth my time.

                             Jim


 

> Your response is very long and I appreciate the time you have put into
> thinking about this issue.
> 
> I'll just say a few things here, and perhaps elaborate later on other
> points.
> 
> You asked why I wrote to you. I was insulted by the generalizations being
> made, and I felt that you had a right to know how one prostitute feels
> about your comments. I don't think I can speak for all the hookers in the
> world, by the way. That is not how I operate. I just wanted you to know
> that prostitutes are keeping track of what is being done to us and said
> about us in various environments -- and that we aren't going to let
> academics and researchers ignore our full humanity. 

Response: Look at what you say above. "...prostitutes are keeping 
track of what is being done to us..." OK, what is being done? Again 
you have no concept of what I have done or am doing, the conditions, 
the terms or what the prostitutes I know say. I am going back to do 
some work in Montana, I will make a copy of your comments unedited 
and pass them along to some women who have STDs and AIDS from 
husbands who visited prostitutes and/or have been in prostitution 
themselves. "We" aren't going to let academics and researchers 
ignore our full humanity?" Who exactly is "we"? And you can assert 
that I have somehow denied your "full" humanity but assertions are 
just that--assertions--and just as Harry Cleaver speaks for his tiny 
clique of admirers and himself--and not for all of academia--who are 
you to use the "we" prostitutes implying what? that you speak for all 
or even a significant section of prostitutes? You know, just because 
anyone summarily creates an interest group or organization and even 
gathers a few members, that is a far cry from mass-based or even 
invited representation. Real leadership comes from bottom-up not 
summarily declaring the top and then handing it down. 

As for your interest in "me", well I'm really not important enough 
to worry about. I suspect that the real basis for your--and Cleaver's-
-interest is that a raw and very uncomfortable nerve has been hit. 
That's OK, I'm used to it. But frankly speaking, in the scheme of 
things, e.g. serious life-threatening conditions and challenges on 
an Indian reservation (some even related to the other sides of 
prostitution that you and Cleaver summarily dismiss because they 
don't fit your paradigm) and ongoing genocide against American 
Indians is simply much more important and of consequence than how a 
few "high-class" prostitutes or some self-obsessed academic feel, 
assert or whatever.

                             Good luck
                             
                             Jim











 
> Why are you so cheesed off when real prostitutes take issue with your
> views? While you make some valid points about human suffering, your note
> indicates that prostitutes who have it better than others are viewed as
> whores who have not "suffered enough." Call girls are frequently attacked
> by the left for having it too easy -- this is nothing new to me. It is,
> however, not my style to dredge up every bad thing that ever happened to
> me in order to cultivate sympathy. 
> 
> You may find this insufficiently analytical on my part, but I'm not really
> interested in scientific socialism. The theories underlying your comments
> aren't as important to me as what you practice. I worry that you will end
> up in a job where you can do real harm to prostitutes and their families. 
> *That* is why you have attracted the attention of activist whores. We make
> it our business to learn about people who have professional contact
> with sex workers. Since you mentioned your work with the PR government,
> your comments cannot be ignored. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Tracy Quan
> 
> 
> 
> =========================================================================
> Tracy Quan 
> e-mail:     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> voice mail: (212) 969-0931
> 
> 


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