Larry, Sorry to have been so personally **intense** (vituperative, um, etc.), and rereading some of the messages, they were a little too individuated. I do feel, however that there is a false division between marxism and pomoism--with blame for the division falling on both sides. As someone who incorporates work of both sides, I get a little tired of defending one to the other. I have also developed that go for the juglar style from 19 years in the phone company & cwa-- blue collar/union environment. Sometimes, though, it does come in handy! maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 97-09-22 12:57:01 EDT, Larry writes: >ainly have no >truck with those who dismiss arguments from any quarter. The old ad >hominum approach. As far as Ivory Tower -- ask anyone on my campus where I >stand on those sorts of things. I'm currently _very_ active in the union, >both on a campus and statewide level. I'm an ex-Teamster. I've also been >a commercial fisherman for 5 years as captain of a 75-foot trawler, working >out of Oregon. > >However, I also am bothered by the fact that I seem to have been labeled >guilty from the start. That may be a function of the fact that I don't >have a lot of time to post on the PEN-L list and so tend not to have my >views known. I hope this helps clarify -- I really don't want to start >anything here. > >Larry Shute