Shunning is better than cutting someone out of the list, but it takes a high degree of agreement and self-discipline among listers. I sometimes despair at the little room that is often allowed for (what I think are) ideas worth hearing, or if not worth hearing, at least better heard than held secretly. However, Karl's comments were sexist in a way that I don't think most of us would tolerate in a face-to-face conversation, or at any public event we had any responsibility for. I say thank you Michael P. for kicking him out. This is not censorship. It is our right to a democratic atmosphere for discussions, and that requires prompt action against the kind of blatant and aggressive sexism I read in Karl's first couple of messages (I am assuming the rest were more of the same, because I didn't read through them). ------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Burgess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Department of Geography, Tel: (604) 822-2663 University of British Columbia, B.C. Fax: (604) 822-6150