Recently Karl wrote: KARL: Robert there is no such political philosophy as marxism-leninism. However there is a political philosophy called Leninism of which Stalnism and Trotskyism are varieties. Leninism is clearly not a form of marxism. At most it is a form of marxist revisionism that has succeeded in twisting marxism into forms that suits its ends. Now Leninism may be validly described as a form of religion but hardly marxism. COMMENT: This sounds like some ideological Alice-in-Wonderland discourse that upstages Shawgi Tell's Marxist-Leninists by far. At the very least there have been groups for some time in Canada and elsewhere that have called themselves Marxist-Leninists and whatever one may think of it they have a political philosophyy and a political party through which the disseminate their views. The term Marxism-Leninism was also used commonly in the USSR as a term to describe the offical political philosophhy. In fact I used a text written by a group of authors and edited by Dutt that was entitled FUNDAMENTALS OF MARXISSM-LENISM. Maoists who thought that theUSSR oriented communist party was not marxist-leninist often spoke of marxism-leninism-mao-tse-tung thought; ironically when they ran as a party they ran as COMMUNIST PARTY( Marxist-Leninist). I am not sure whether the group Shawgi is involved with are offspring of this tendency or not. As for Leninism clearly not being a form of Marxism, I pass. No doubt bad Christians aren't really Christians either. Karl must have some echt Marxism in mind. Cheers, Ken Hanly