>The real puzzle remains the >black culture of overachievement. > >Rakesh Just to add to Rakesh's points: It is standard practice now to assess IQ using a series of six or seven tests, each of which look at a different form of intelligence (intuitive, mathematical, artistic, etc.). The Bell Curve only looks at the kind of intelligence testing developed about 40-50 years ago, and this test as a stand alone measure has been discredited for years. (I got all this from a friend of mind who has a phd in psychiatry.) Further, it has been recognized for years that children with alot of stress in their lives--either from abusive homes, or from poor living conditions, or from inadequate schooling--do less well on all the battery of iq tests because there is a strong emotional element in all intelligence. i.e., happy people do better on all tests. Finally, there is a strong age component to intelligence, we all test at different levels at different ages, with adulthood adding as much as 10-20 points to most peoples iq tests. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]