COLIN: I'm agreed that the euro is a terrible idea (both because it enforces a Europe-wide recession aimed at forcing down real wages and because I don't think the undermining of lender-of-last-resort functions has been considered seriously enough). So this has been a week of unbounded Schadenfreude over Juppe's defeat and Kohl's reversal at the hands of the Bundesbank. But the period of preparation for the euro is also unpleasant, at least in employment and growth terms. Surely it would be better to advocate scrapping than postponing the project. KARL: The bullshit on this list is phenomenal. To talk about the Euro being a terrible idea is absusrd. It is like saying that one kind of money is better than another kind. That a local currency is better and kinder than a common international currency. In terms of what Colin says this means that one kind of money is kinder to the masses than another kind. Did you ever hear such shit. On the basis of this logic then bartering is better than money exchange and smaller local capitalist firms are better than international ones. The point is that in the modern capitalist world all money is essentially capitalist money. To argue that one kind of capitalism is better than another is to misunderstand the nature of capital and that the task of socialism is to prmote the abolition of capital and its money form rather than to push for one kind of capitalism as opposed to another. So cut out the bullshit and abolish neanderthalia on this and other lists. Karl Carlile Yours etc., Karl