Shawgi Tell asked, >Tom what do you think is needed to move society forward? I posed >this question to Michael yesterday. Hope to hear from the both of you and >others. I will begin with a brief citation, which not only sums up my own position but states the practical program drafted by Karl Marx and adopted by the Congress of the International Working Men's Association at Geneva in 1866: "The limitation of the working day is a preliminary condition without which all further attempts at improvement and emancipation must prove abortive." A U.S. resolution to the same aim, also adopted in 1866, concluded with the following oath: "We are resolved to put forth all our strength until this glorious result is attained." What is needed is a broad popular movement to limit the working day. No one has asked me what my program would be if I found myself suddenly the socialist prime minister of France. But I'll answer anyway. My program would be based on the principle that so long as a single person is unable to find sustaining work, the hours of labour are too long. My program would also be based on dismantling the state apparatus that has been built up for the sole purpose of artificially prolonging the working day (and thereby underwriting the accumulation of capital and fostering division among workers). I wouldn't bother expounding on whether such policies are social democratic, socialist or communist. I would defend them on the sole grounds that they are necessary and just. I would be shot within a few weeks. Regards, Tom Walker ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ knoW Ware Communications | Vancouver, B.C., CANADA | "Though I may be sent to Hell for it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | such a God will never command my respect." (604) 688-8296 | - John Milton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The TimeWork Web: http://mindlink.net/knowware/worksite.htm