I think most people who subscribe to this list know who pastor Niemoller was and know the quote Zarembka cites practically by heart. Personally, I could feel a little insulted at being likened to the Nazis in this way (relax, Paul, no-one is coming for you, that I know of); but I think most normal people would feel more concerned for the insult to the memory of a very great man, to see his name taken in vain in this way. I really do not feel there is much comparison between the fate of communists, Jews, gypsies, Russians and millions of others whose lives were extinguished in the Nazi holocaust, and that of comfortable American academics who seem more concerned to find enemies on the left than on the right. Michael has repeatedly asked for this absurd flaming to stop. Is it not time to DO something to stop it? Mark Paul Zarembka wrote: > > The man in a 'flapping white coat' Mark Jones refers to was Martin > Niemoeller, Lutheran church leader who opposed the Nazis. A quote of his > is one of my very favorite: > > "First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I > wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up > because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I > didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the > Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they > came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up". > > Paul Zarembka > > P.S. Michael P. made an error when he said Jerry Levy had been referring > to Louis and Doug. In fact, Doug explicitly had said that Jerry is not a > bigot in any way. Jerry has been refering to the Louis P. and Mark J. > and it was the Mark J.'s quote about the New Left Review that Jerry cited > that started the recent interchange off. There is no reason for Jerry to > remain silent. > > ________________________________________ > > Mark Jones wrote on May 27, commenting on Paul Zarembka's paraphrasing: > > >> First they came for the gays, but I am not a gay; then they came for > >> the Trotskyists, but I am not a Trotskyite; then they came...; then > >> they came for me and no one was left". > > > This would be the men in flapping white coats, presumably. > > > Mark
