C. Proyect, This post is interesting but it contains the same flaw all your posts do on this subject. You are confusing industrialization with capitalist property relations. Furthermore, your conclusions always imply the same solution: that the only way to preserve the globe is for an enlightened bureaucracy to take over. This is simply a discredited notion for very good reasons. The race for socialists is to find a faster, more financially sound, and more personally liberating mode of industrial development. That will not solve all the problems and contradictions of political economy simultaneously, but so what? It will provide the industrial development that is desperately needed, undermine the monopoly on capital that capitalists enjoy and hopefully give more working people real ownership rights over the means of production. I'll take that and I have a feeling it would be popular. However, this business of drawing a line in the ecological sand and trying to build a wall around the peasantry is simply doomed. peace